I'm back, and I'm looking for someone to kill [Concluded]

**BlackAxe3001** · 03-25-2007, 00:11

Huh?

I voted for andres because he voted for motep before the mafia had sent in their votes and then motep died because of the mafia. How did andres know motep was going to die? Hence my vote for andres.

**OldSchool** · 03-25-2007, 00:19

I don't know everyone well enough to guess by the kills. But I am developing a strong aversion to lurking, so:

Vote: Ignoramus

The pre-game comments imply he has the tendency to lurk. Best to find out now, I think.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-25-2007, 00:31

^^that doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by BlackAxe3001

Huh?

I voted for andres because he voted for motep before the mafia had sent in their votes and then motep died because of the mafia. How did andres know motep was going to die? Hence my vote for andres.

This has all the markings of a newbie frame attempt.

Vote:BlackAxe

**OldSchool** · 03-27-2007, 03:09

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

^^that doesn't make sense.

This has all the markings of a newbie frame attempt.

Vote:BlackAxe

That frame. The one you pointed out. If it was a frame attempt, it was done to look like a newbie frame attempt.

I am assuming a few things at this point:

1) The henchmen are very likely to be experienced, capable mafia.

2) I do not think Andres pre-kill vote against Motep would have been used as a serious frame attempt against him by an experienced mafia. It would be too easily dismissed and would actually serve to help him avoid the first-round bandwagons.

3) If the connection was used at all, I think it much more likely to be a covering tactic or an attempt to fake noobishness.

4) WIFOM gives me a headache. I realize it is impossible to draw conclusions. However, I don't think that means it shouldn't be examined and possibilities raised.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-27-2007, 03:33

Yeah I got that. I understood blackAxe thought the that the kill implicated andres I just don't see why.

Originally Posted by Oldschool

the more my wheel of WIFOM lands on the fact that he is more likely to use such an obvious frame as cover to get himself dismissed as a suspect

And it seems it's something I should understand.

**OldSchool** · 03-27-2007, 03:42

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Yeah I got that. I understood blackAxe thought the that the kill implicated andres I just don't see why.

And it seems it's something I should understand.

Truthfully, I don't know what to think of the Andres-Motep connection at this point or if there even is one. I was merely pointing out what my leanings are at the moment. Obviously not enough to cast a vote.

I'm more interested in the clue we have that the GF was able to pick his own henchmen. Any opinions on that?

**BlackAxe3001** · 03-27-2007, 03:46

I thought that Andres voted Motep and then "since Andres was mafia" decided to kill motep that night. Obviously this was very poorly thought out, if thought out at all and so I just voted for him which led to my witch hunt and me almost being lynched. There was no logic to it and therefore impossible to understand.

You can beat this to death about how many different twists and turns the mafia could have taken to make anyone seem like mafia using the andres-motep connection, but no one really knows except for the mafia. I for one and done trying to make sense of it at all because it is impossible.

The bigger issue is guessing who the GF would be out of the people left and who would he pick as henchmen?

**OldSchool** · 03-27-2007, 04:19

About the henchmen:

I don't know that we can pinpoint exactly who would be chosen, but I think we can narrow the field considerably.

I doubt that any wog-baits or noobs would have been chosen, which shortens the list quite a bit.

After that, it depends on the GF.

An newer one would probably have chosen some of the more notorious players.

An experienced one would have been aware of who would most likely be targeted for investigation and chosen more selectively.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-27-2007, 04:30

In GF1 I chose GH and GH chose Cowhead and gorebag.

In GF2 Csar chose GH and Myrddraal.

In Graffiti mafia Disco chose GH, Kommo, and Xiahou.

If you choose an experienced player they will be assumed to be more likely to be chosen. If you choose a new player they are more likely to reveal themselves. We don't know who is doing the choosing and the most important mafioso wasn't chosen anyway...so the discussion doesn't have much point.

Of course it should be obvious that no gf in his right mind would choose me.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-27-2007, 04:31

Originally Posted by BlackAxe3001

I thought that Andres voted Motep and then "since Andres was mafia" decided to kill motep that night. Obviously this was very poorly thought out, if thought out at all and so I just voted for him which led to my witch hunt and me almost being lynched. There was no logic to it and therefore impossible to understand.

You can beat this to death about how many different twists and turns the mafia could have taken to make anyone seem like mafia using the andres-motep connection, but no one really knows except for the mafia. I for one and done trying to make sense of it at all because it is impossible.

The bigger issue is guessing who the GF would be out of the people left and who would he pick as henchmen?

Hey don't feel so bad. Mafia is to some extent a game of witch hunting and you came off looking pretty good.