I'm back, and I'm looking for someone to kill [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No one is even voting for you OldSchool

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think both Andres and Stig are mafia.

[Stig]

I think both Andres and Stig are mafia.

heheh

Let the detective check me if you want to be sure


My defense is:
I have a social life
And loads of people are bandwagoning, you should search the mafia among them


And about Sasaki:
All he can do is point at me and Andres, he's not being constructive and only saying:
"Stig, you're not on the forums, you should be lynched!"
"Andres, you defend Stig, that makes you mafia!"

1. I have life.
2. Even Andres wouldn't be stupid enough to defend an already dead mafia mate.
3. You don't have any convincing arguments. Kommo does have those. All the others are bandwagoning.

[CountArach]

I don't know, Stig seems to be acting a bit unusually to me. I believe what he says about his social life, I seem to recall him using the same excuse this excuse for one of the other games (Can't remember which, so don't ask). But, maybe I am wrong about it.

As to Sasaki, this is just his playing style, so really I don't see anything unusual there.

As for my vote:

Vote: Omanes the Idiot

The reason:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=208

Until he expands on this, my vote will stand.

[Csargo]

I don't know, Stig seems to be acting a bit unusually to me. I believe what he says about his social life, I seem to recall him using the same excuse this excuse for one of the other games (Can't remember which, so don't ask). But, maybe I am wrong about it.

As to Sasaki, this is just his playing style, so really I don't see anything unusual there.

As for my vote:

Vote: Omanes the Idiot

The reason:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=208

Until he expands on this, my vote will stand.

He's dead.

[CountArach]

Well in that case:

Unvote: Omanes

I would still like him to expand on his hunch however.

[BlackAxe3001]

Vote: Roadkill

Reason: You have posted four times, two being votes, and have voted for Sasaki twice with poor reasoning. You also are listening to Omanes, who is dead and probably has a Sasaki grudge, true or not, he is dead and yet you jumped right onto his Sasaki bandwagon. Suspicious, who knows, but I think some attention needs drawn to you.

Also, I believe Sasaki is not mafia. The pieces of the puzzle just don't fit. Then again, I probably have no idea what I am talking about and will probably start another bandwagon on my ass again...

[Csargo]

I was hoping leaving voting open another day would generate some more discussion, but it seems that didn't happen. Voting closed.

[The Foolish Horseman]

No one is even voting for you OldSchool

he seemed a bit jumpy to me Sasaki Kojiro.

maybe he is trying to hide something

[OldSchool]

No one is even voting for you OldSchool

I thought I read that I was in the lead in the bandwagon parade? I had a nice farewell speech all planned out and everything...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

No one is even voting for you OldSchool

Here you go again Sasaki. Random throwing around of accusations and picking on a new player again. Also you seem to be spamming this thread - is this to cause my accusations and suspicions to be so far back that nobody will read them?

When I look at your posts and add up the evidence, all I can see is the word "Guilty" written all over your style.

[RoadKill]

Omanes, you stold the words out of my mouth and I 100% agree with you so
Vote:sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Omanes, you stold the words out of my mouth and I 100% agree with you so
Vote:sasaki

Same as yesterday huh? What do you think about stig/andres?

[Csargo]

I think I'll let voting stay open another day.

[Dutch_guy]

Omanes, if that's an accusation then Sasaki's lost his style. He can do much better than that.

He may seem to be spamming this thread, but it's just him being him. He's always either the number two poster, but more frequently the number one poster. Generating discussion is his style, and has always been that way. He, and others mind you, tend to go after the newer players because they have no particular style. We have no idea if this is there usual play style, or their mafioso way to play the game. Hence, reactions in the form of discussion are needed to get to know them better.

So, in each and every game in which Sasaki has played, gathering the 'evidence' would have always led to certain lynch. However, he has exactly the same statistical chance of being selected as mafioso as we do. Don't go after him because he generates discussion - heck, townies should !

In short, don't be worried. He's always like this, and rest assured the Detective has already investigated him. And if he were mafia, the detective would instantly reveal - as the detective vs mafioso trade is a good one.

[Warmaster Horus]

Dutch_Guy, how do you know the Detective already investigated him?
I didn't think the Detective could admit his role, until he chose to reveal.

[Dutch_guy]

Dutch_Guy, how do you know the Detective already investigated him?

Well, I would have investigated him were I the detective. It is the most prudent strategy in my opinion, as he's proven to be a valuable player in the past. One whom you want to rule out as mafia grunt.

I didn't think the Detective could admit his role, until he chose to reveal.

I believe you're right, it isn't allowed -it has never been.

Omanes, if that's an accusation then Sasaki's lost his style. He can do much better than that.

He may seem to be spamming this thread, but it's just him being him. He's always either the number two poster, but more frequently the number one poster. Generating discussion is his style, and has always been that way. He, and others mind you, tend to go after the newer players because they have no particular style. We have no idea if this is there usual play style, or their mafioso way to play the game. Hence, reactions in the form of discussion are needed to get to know them better.

So, in each and every game in which Sasaki has played, gathering the 'evidence' would have always led to certain lynch. However, he has exactly the same statistical chance of being selected as mafioso as we do. Don't go after him because he generates discussion - heck, townies should !

In short, don't be worried. He's always like this, and rest assured the Detective has already investigated him. And if he were mafia, the detective would instantly reveal - as the detective vs mafioso trade is a good one.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok I didn't get to everybody but they can wait.

Are you implying that it is doubtfull that you would be chosen?

The change of tactics and this statement, make me

Vote : OldSchool

But this may change in the course of the day.

I believe this is a slip up by andres here. He suggests that on day one Oldschool had chosen to go after lurkers rather than consider potential henchmen; ...

...


hmm no I reread and this is wrong. DOH wasn't referring to potential henchmen thing when talking about the shift in tactics. He was talking about focussing on the andres-motep thing. I retract my previous accusation.

I need to reread on Oldschool and GBB as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok I think Oldschool is mafia, and possible GBB.

Vote:Oldschool

So. Andres votes Motep before game start. Then mafia kill motep. Maybe this was random maybe not. But blackaxe mentions it and the hunt goes around, perhaps this gets the mafia thinking. That night they again kill who Andres voted for (hughtower). Then we get this series of posts:

The more I look at the Andres-Motep connection, the more my wheel of WIFOM lands on the fact that he is more likely to use such an obvious frame as cover to get himself dismissed as a suspect than the mafia is to try to use such an obvious frame to get him lynched. Obviously, pure WIFOM at this point on my part.

I said I didn't understand the connection and he eventually says:

Truthfully, I don't know what to think of the Andres-Motep connection at this point or if there even is one. I was merely pointing out what my leanings are at the moment. Obviously not enough to cast a vote.

This belies his last post where he was speaking as if the connection was a given and pondering whether it implicated Andres. This alone is enough for my vote.

Next:

Of the things I wanted to discuss, I wouldn't have thought that Andres would be the most pertinent, but now that I look back through the thread, I see that he voted not only Motep for lurking, but also HughTower, and both died the next round. I think he is being used as a distraction and I think it is more beneficial for us to remove that distraction than to lynch people for talking.

vote: AndresTheCunning

The kills "just happen" to implicate Andres...not because Andres is mafia mind you, but because the mafia are framing him! How the hell did I miss this yesterday.

He assumes he's about to be lynched

If you're going to lynch me, I'll try to make my point one last time before I hang and then I'll shut-up about it.

It's weird. But I mention it because of GBB's next posts:

OldSchool definatley also has a valid point here. The connection between AndresTheCunning's votes and the deaths is all to continous to be a coincidence. Therefore

Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: AndresThecunning

Very interesting, which leads me to wonder if this next bit was a bit of distancing:

No one is even voting for you OldSchool

he seemed a bit jumpy to me Sasaki Kojiro.

maybe he is trying to hide somethin

Oldschool is the lynch for today.

[Csargo]

Not funny

I can only guess who did this.

[GeneralHankerchief]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nice one, Sasaki.

[OldSchool]

Oldschool is the lynch for today.

Well, how about that. Round three and we are still discussing the Andres connection. It's almost like somebody warned us that would happen.

Andres voted against Motep before the killings.

The following things were almost inevitable:
1) Motep would be one of the first kills.
2) Somebody would notice the connection and vote Andres.
3) Somebody else would point out the bad logic of that.
4) Andres would most likely be safe from an early-round bandwagon because the evidence had been dismissed.

I tried to consider if Andres would do it on purpose in order to achieve those results or if it was a half-hearted attempt to frame him. I didn't come to enough of a conclusion to cast a vote, although I leaned towards him doing it on purpose.

When I read back through the thread, I noticed that Andres also voted HughTower. I knew as soon as he voted someone and they didn't die, that person would immediately fall under suspicion. Now, he could not only be used as a distraction, but could also be used to channel suspicion. I felt it was best for us to lynch him and I tried to convince you guys of that.

When I first mentioned Andres, it was in a post where I was trying to chime in on the things that had gone on in the round before. Andres was just one of those things, and not the most important in my opinion.

I find your collection of evidence somewhat selective, Sasaki. You are the one who latched onto my initial Andres comment. For someone looking for discussion, you didn't seem at all interested in any other topic with me. You are the one who kept spinning the merry-go-round and inspired me to dig deeper into it.

Clearly I came to my conclusion as the conversation went along, but you have presented it here as if I had some kind of master plan all along. I explained why I thought I was about to be lynched, but somehow that hasn't been included in your accusation, either.

Out of everybody, you are the one most responsible for returning the subject back to Andres. With BlackAxe in the first round. With me in the second round. And now yet again.

That is all the Andres merry-go-round I'm riding on for you. Lynch me or don't. I still say the best thing we can do is remove Andres as a suspect or a distraction.

vote: AndrestheCunning

[Andres]

OldSchool, if I am abused as a distraction, I don't see why you should lynch me for that? An abused townie is still a townie and I don't understand how lynching a townie will help us win this game. The mafia picks me as a distraction and you conclude that I should get lynched because of that? So basically you are saying that the town should lynch the player selected by the mafia? And if you lynch me and next round they use somebody else as a distraction, do you want us to lynch that townie as well? I don't understand the logic and to me it seems like you are distracting the town by trying to convince us to lynch annoying townies instead of mafiosi.

Besides, I voted you last round and you are still alive right now, so I guess a) the mafia has quit "abusing" me b) you are mafia.

So, for the reasons I stated right now and in the previous round, I will:

Vote : OldSchool

Call it a bandwagon or anything else you like, I gave my reasoning in the
previous round and it is still valid now.

I think we've heard OldSchool's continuous mantra long enough for now.


OOC: The lack of posting by other players is disturbing me...

[OldSchool]

Here you go again Sasaki. Random throwing around of accusations and picking on a new player again. Also you seem to be spamming this thread - is this to cause my accusations and suspicions to be so far back that nobody will read them?

When I look at your posts and add up the evidence, all I can see is the word "Guilty" written all over your style.

I don't think he was picking on me Omanes. I was reading backwards through the thread and saw a post stating I was leading the lynch vote. I never bothered to count the votes. So my opinion that I was about to be lynched did not jive with the vote count and caused .

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Here you go again Sasaki. Random throwing around of accusations and picking on a new player again. Also you seem to be spamming this thread - is this to cause my accusations and suspicions to be so far back that nobody will read them?

When I look at your posts and add up the evidence, all I can see is the word "Guilty" written all over your style.

I asked him a question as indicated by the ???. Oldschool doesn't seem to be new. I always post a alot.