I'm back, and I'm looking for someone to kill [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Killed by Barney, what a pansy...

Keep it up. Your death in Mafia VII will be even more embarassing.

[Csargo]

Keep it up. Your death in Mafia VII will be even more embarassing.

Twas not me.

[HughTower]

Wow, someone wants to make a statement. They take out two named "possible henchmen choices" in one blow.

Strange tactics indeed. Where's pevergreen hiding at these days? This feels like him.

Btw, GH, clearly you're not scum. Sorry about that.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

AndresTheCunning
WarMaster Horus
Sasaki Kojiro
GBB
CF
OldSchool
RoadKill
pevergreen
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Ignoramus

This is the alive list I believe. Ignoramus looks to be wog. I feel BlackAxe is innocent. Most of these people we haven't heard from enough.

[Stig]

Don't you want to kill Andres?
Or are you suddenly jumping on something else?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

^^patience is a virtue as is being thorough

Hey, CA, I don't need a pressure vote. However you seemed ready to vote for somebody quickly.
I didn't even have time to read the deaths properly.

And how, pevergreen? How are you supposed to prove to people you are not a Mafioso, when just trying to prove your innocence may get you lynched?
Omanes, could you explain why you voted CA? Not that I disagree with that, but...
And CA, I don't need a pressure vote to talk. I'll say my piece when I actually have something interesting to say.

This strikes me as a bit reactionary. You say you don't need pressure votes but you've hardly posted. Are you setting up an excuse for lurking here?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

General Question that Im sure applies to many people. Do townies get PM's?

This is interesting pever why are you asking this? Townies would know townies don't get pm's, only the mafia wouldn't.

[Stig]

This is interesting pever why are you asking this? Townies would know townies don't get pm's, only the mafia wouldn't.

I wanted to ask that same question. But I knew someone would come with this.

Sides why didn't you bring that on earlier? Do you need to lynch someone else? Is it "gang on Pevergreen" now?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Stig man don't hold a grudge. I'm in the process of going through and getting everybody to talk but I just started an ultra fast paced game on mafia scum and will have to get back to this one in a bit.

[CountArach]

I would also like pevergreen to account for himself. I haven't seen him on MSn though, so maybe he is away?

[Stig]

Stig man don't hold a grudge. I'm in the process of going through and getting everybody to talk but I just started an ultra fast paced game on mafia scum and will have to get back to this one in a bit.

How about "you are mafia"?

[Csargo]

1h45m and no votes

Stig man don't hold a grudge. I'm in the process of going through and getting everybody to talk but I just started an ultra fast paced game on mafia scum and will have to get back to this one in a bit.

Interesting...Mafiascum

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hey Roadkill, you have any thoughts? Could you name three suspects for me?

[BlackAxe3001]

I'll be in. And I am going to participate this time.

Right... this is his only post. Is this typical? I assume so. Probably not mafia, or a good sign that he is?

RoadKill - What's up... I voted you and no response? Seems suspicious too that you didn't answer my questions about voting for Sasaki. That and you usually are somewhat active too.

What about CF? We haven't heard jack out of him hardly.

Lets see, what else catches my eye as a bit "off".... nothing for the moment...

[scotchedpommes]

Ignoramus' disappearance would appear to be the norm of late.
How many rounds before Wrath of God is enacted?

[Csargo]

Ignoramus' disappearance would appear to be the norm of late.
How many rounds before Wrath of God is enacted?

3 in a row.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok I didn't get to everybody but they can wait.

Are you implying that it is doubtfull that you would be chosen?

The change of tactics and this statement, make me

Vote : OldSchool

But this may change in the course of the day.

I believe this is a slip up by andres here. He suggests that on day one Oldschool had chosen to go after lurkers rather than consider potential henchmen; ...

...


hmm no I reread and this is wrong. DOH wasn't referring to potential henchmen thing when talking about the shift in tactics. He was talking about focussing on the andres-motep thing. I retract my previous accusation.

I need to reread on Oldschool and GBB as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok I think Oldschool is mafia, and possible GBB.

Vote:Oldschool

So. Andres votes Motep before game start. Then mafia kill motep. Maybe this was random maybe not. But blackaxe mentions it and the hunt goes around, perhaps this gets the mafia thinking. That night they again kill who Andres voted for (hughtower). Then we get this series of posts:

The more I look at the Andres-Motep connection, the more my wheel of WIFOM lands on the fact that he is more likely to use such an obvious frame as cover to get himself dismissed as a suspect than the mafia is to try to use such an obvious frame to get him lynched. Obviously, pure WIFOM at this point on my part.

I said I didn't understand the connection and he eventually says:

Truthfully, I don't know what to think of the Andres-Motep connection at this point or if there even is one. I was merely pointing out what my leanings are at the moment. Obviously not enough to cast a vote.

This belies his last post where he was speaking as if the connection was a given and pondering whether it implicated Andres. This alone is enough for my vote.

Next:

Of the things I wanted to discuss, I wouldn't have thought that Andres would be the most pertinent, but now that I look back through the thread, I see that he voted not only Motep for lurking, but also HughTower, and both died the next round. I think he is being used as a distraction and I think it is more beneficial for us to remove that distraction than to lynch people for talking.

vote: AndresTheCunning

The kills "just happen" to implicate Andres...not because Andres is mafia mind you, but because the mafia are framing him! How the hell did I miss this yesterday.

He assumes he's about to be lynched

If you're going to lynch me, I'll try to make my point one last time before I hang and then I'll shut-up about it.

It's weird. But I mention it because of GBB's next posts:

OldSchool definatley also has a valid point here. The connection between AndresTheCunning's votes and the deaths is all to continous to be a coincidence. Therefore

Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: AndresThecunning

Very interesting, which leads me to wonder if this next bit was a bit of distancing:

No one is even voting for you OldSchool

he seemed a bit jumpy to me Sasaki Kojiro.

maybe he is trying to hide somethin

Oldschool is the lynch for today.

[Csargo]

Not funny

I can only guess who did this.

[GeneralHankerchief]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nice one, Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

[Caius]

Sorry for the lack of attention

What about CF? We haven't heard jack out of him hardly.

I just Im lost here.

Vote:Abstain

[Csargo]

How long does it take for these guys to let me log-in?

[pevergreen]

sorry guys, pretty dead after school overnight LAN party and exams.

I am on holidays now, so involvement will go up in a few days.

[CountArach]

Nice job Sasaki

[OldSchool]

Oldschool is the lynch for today.

Well, how about that. Round three and we are still discussing the Andres connection. It's almost like somebody warned us that would happen.

Andres voted against Motep before the killings.

The following things were almost inevitable:
1) Motep would be one of the first kills.
2) Somebody would notice the connection and vote Andres.
3) Somebody else would point out the bad logic of that.
4) Andres would most likely be safe from an early-round bandwagon because the evidence had been dismissed.

I tried to consider if Andres would do it on purpose in order to achieve those results or if it was a half-hearted attempt to frame him. I didn't come to enough of a conclusion to cast a vote, although I leaned towards him doing it on purpose.

When I read back through the thread, I noticed that Andres also voted HughTower. I knew as soon as he voted someone and they didn't die, that person would immediately fall under suspicion. Now, he could not only be used as a distraction, but could also be used to channel suspicion. I felt it was best for us to lynch him and I tried to convince you guys of that.

When I first mentioned Andres, it was in a post where I was trying to chime in on the things that had gone on in the round before. Andres was just one of those things, and not the most important in my opinion.

I find your collection of evidence somewhat selective, Sasaki. You are the one who latched onto my initial Andres comment. For someone looking for discussion, you didn't seem at all interested in any other topic with me. You are the one who kept spinning the merry-go-round and inspired me to dig deeper into it.

Clearly I came to my conclusion as the conversation went along, but you have presented it here as if I had some kind of master plan all along. I explained why I thought I was about to be lynched, but somehow that hasn't been included in your accusation, either.

Out of everybody, you are the one most responsible for returning the subject back to Andres. With BlackAxe in the first round. With me in the second round. And now yet again.

That is all the Andres merry-go-round I'm riding on for you. Lynch me or don't. I still say the best thing we can do is remove Andres as a suspect or a distraction.

vote: AndrestheCunning

[Andres]

OldSchool, if I am abused as a distraction, I don't see why you should lynch me for that? An abused townie is still a townie and I don't understand how lynching a townie will help us win this game. The mafia picks me as a distraction and you conclude that I should get lynched because of that? So basically you are saying that the town should lynch the player selected by the mafia? And if you lynch me and next round they use somebody else as a distraction, do you want us to lynch that townie as well? I don't understand the logic and to me it seems like you are distracting the town by trying to convince us to lynch annoying townies instead of mafiosi.

Besides, I voted you last round and you are still alive right now, so I guess a) the mafia has quit "abusing" me b) you are mafia.

So, for the reasons I stated right now and in the previous round, I will:

Vote : OldSchool

Call it a bandwagon or anything else you like, I gave my reasoning in the
previous round and it is still valid now.

I think we've heard OldSchool's continuous mantra long enough for now.


OOC: The lack of posting by other players is disturbing me...

[Stig]

Oldschool is the lynch for today

What are you? The boss, saying who should be lynched.


I would lynch Sasaki

[HughTower]

2 hours til the end of the night phase. I'm still missing some PM's if I don't recieve them by then I'll be forced to go on without you.

He then posted the kills almost exactly 2 hours later (of which there were two).

Given timezones & inactivity, in the interests of trying to create a shortlist, we might put our 2 Aussies (pevergreen & CountA) to one side briefly.

Sorry for the lack of attention

I just Im lost here.

Vote:Abstain

CF is often very suspicious when he's a townie because of what he says & writes, & in this game, he's not garnering any attention because he's not posting or saying anything. Might this mean he's finally Mafia?

GBB comes across as innocent to me (see his defence of GH recently).

Old School is very active - which can suggest a role or be a byproduct of being relatively new to the game.

Warmaster & RoadKill are hovering in the active lurker zone at the moment, & I think should in the game more. What are your thoughts, guys?

[HughTower]

What are you? The boss, saying who should be lynched.


I would lynch Sasaki

Stig - you're not helping anyone by so obviously bearing a grudge. And yes, Sasaki could still be Mafia, but I suspect if he is that we will only be able to discover this in the endgame. You need if possible to be a little more objective.

We know by the number of kills that they are 2 mafia grunts left out there, as well as possibly the GF.