Drunken off-duty Cop Brutally Assualts Female Bartender

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I see nothing wrong with her behavior

Okay, I guess what happened is that she refused to serve him more alcohol after he assaulted another customer, after which he got behind the bar to try to serve himself. She came back, tried to push him out from behind the bar, and he went nuts.

Her behaviour from that POV is understandable I guess, but why did she wait so long to stop serving him? And was it wise to start pushing a guy who had already shown a propensity for violence? I don't think she handled the situation well.

However, I do think at the very least that establishment should be looking at its policies concerning the serving of inebriated customers, and also be looking at enhancing security for its staff. That female bartender appeared to be looking after the bar all by herself, which is leaving her pretty vulnerable.

[JimBob]

So why didn't the bartender just call the cops at that stage? Wouldn't that have been the sensible thing to do?

See you're dealing with the city of Chicago. You call the cops on another cop and they'll show up to arrest you. Or they'll take a good hour or two to show up.

[Blodrast]

Eh.... why did she wait so long to stop serving him ? Why did she not call the cops ? Why did she not do more to avoid getting beaten up ? Why did she push him when he tried to get behind the counter ?

Do you see a pattern here ?
Stop trying to shift the blame on her, will ya ? Or on the estalishment's policies, or on anything else except the cop.
How about "Why the heck did HE beat her up ?"

As for calling the cops... how do you know she didn't ? Moreover, this was a bar/pub. I hardly think it's feasible to call the cops for every single guy that gets drunk in there and starts shouting or swearing. 'cause I bet that happens a lot, what with it being a place that serves alcoholic drinks, you know ?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Oh yes, let's just murder people who get drunk and behave like a-holes. That will do so much to improve social standards.

So now, pummeling another person into the ground and stomping on them is just a-hole behavior? And besides, getting shanked doesn't necessarily kill you. I'm in total agreement with MRD here.

And you know what, I'm betting it definitely would improve social standards.

This guy was practically paralytic, why did the establishment wait so long before refusing to serve him?

You're assuming an awful lot to support your view.

Crazed Rabbit

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but why did she wait so long to stop serving him?

How was she suppose to know ??
It is not like there is a rule for how much alcohol it takes before a person gets hostile.
And I have seen no source on how drunk he was at the time.
He may not have had that much to drink in the first place before turning violent.

And was it wise to start pushing a guy who had already shown a propensity for violence?

So she should have just let him do whatever he wants ??
She should have let him beat up the other customer and maybe even wreck the entire bar ??
And calling the cops seemed to have worked well as well.
They offered her a bribe to keep her mouth shut, great help .
She did what the job requires her to do and she did it.

However, I do think at the very least that establishment should be looking at its policies concerning the serving of inebriated customers, and also be looking at enhancing security for its staff. That female bartender appeared to be looking after the bar all by herself, which is leaving her pretty vulnerable.

They probably will look at it.
My guess is that this was just some small bar where things generally are pretty quiet hence no bouncer.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

People can suddenly turn, can suddenly appear drunk, can appear lucid but be drunk.

People are also responsible for their own actions, including getting drunk and beating people.

[Crazed Rabbit]

See you're dealing with the city of Chicago. You call the cops on another cop and they'll show up to arrest you. Or they'll take a good hour or two to show up.

Or they'll just do nothing at all when they show up:

In the Dec. 15 beating at the Jefferson Tap and Grille, one alleged victim required reconstructive surgery on his face and another suffered four broken ribs, said Sally Saltzberg, a lawyer for the men.

Other bar patrons called 911. But when patrol officers responded, the off-duty officers involved allegedly spoke to them and the patrol officers left without intervening, sources said.

Security cameras inside and outside the bar recorded most of the beating, said Saltzberg, who said she has not seen the tape herself.
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The video depicts one of the off-duty officers, who is a sergeant, waving off a responding officer, a law enforcement source said. The responding officers then left the scene.

The cops who did that back in December still haven't been charged.

That's why calling the cops won't do crap if a cop is attacking you in Chicago.

Fits in nicely with the gun ban in Chicago - can't have uppity citizens trying to challenge police lordship by defending themselves from criminals, whether or not they have a badge.

Crazed Rabbit

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As I've already said, I'm not trying to excuse what this cop did. I'm simply saying I see a problem with a guy getting as sloshed as that in the first place.

My suspicion is that this place is a cheap dive that runs on minimum staff and has a policy of soaking customers to the last penny. That's my conclusion from this customer's state of inebriation and the apparent lack of security at the bar.

It doesn't the mean the cop must not be held responsible for his actions. But it might be argued that responsibility for this incident may at least to some extent be shared by an establishment that allowed him to reach such a state in the first place.

[Husar]

But it might be argued that responsibility for this incident may at least to some extent be shared by an establishment that allowed him to reach such a state in the first place.

You can reach that state on any student or school party(at least where I live ), if he was completely intoxicated, how could he turn around quickly and not miss her head all the time? If he had way too much alcohol, he'd be in a worse state than what can be seen on the video I think, what I call overdone is when he falls onto the ground trying to stand up.
But even then it's his own fault if he gets drunk past a certain point, especially as a police officer he should be able to restrain himself.

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But even then it's his own fault if he gets drunk past a certain point, especially as a police officer he should be able to restrain himself.

Yes, I agree with that. Even if policing is a stressful job, getting that out of it is not appropriate for a police officer. If he needs to get paralytic now and again, he should at least do it with a few friends who can make sure he doesn't do anything stupid.