Gaesatae overpowered?

[Little Legioner]

First of i'm aware of that they're elite troops of Celtic ranks but why don't they die

They always paralyze my fellow Legionaries. They (mine soldiers) surround those troublemakers and figth lasts long minutes. They never give up they never flee. Javelins, Slings, Pilums, Gladius', Falcatas, Pugios, Spears cannot penetrate their line even they are fully flanked by my men.

What are they? They've become a nightmare for me.

Besides my rightheous fury please tell me fellas. Is there any way to kill them or break them fast?

Do they deserve that great stat benefits?

By the way,

Thanks for the god because of EB. I've never seen such challenging campaign game for years. My social life died for two weeks. I'm planning my attacks and defences and whole situation during my business day. When i gone home after a quick diner whoop my camp goes on again. Every victory and defeat has a meaning with this great game!

Excellent and brilliant job guys. One by one i shake your hands.

Well, i must leave coz i need to refine my plans to crush Galli. Aedui and Arverni scum still resist against Roman power! I'll shave their moustaches then

Ave Frates!

[Birka Viking]

Use slingers or surround them. Well they are good but not so good...
Good luck

[Kralizec]

Some people seem to think that because multi-hitpoint units don't die (or indeed, visibly take damage) from single volleys of sling-bullets, arrows and javelins, that multiple hit-points negate missile fire. That's not true. A couple of volleys of missiles fired on them, while maybe not killing a lot of them, removes hitpoints from a lot of them and makes them more killable for the ensuing melee.

[Anthony]

They're heavily drugged with something akin to PCP. A good missile hailing as they approach should weaken them well enough. Hit them with cavalry from the flank if you can when they hit your infantry line; it'll cut them quick, and it's what Romans did at Telamon. Their morale and staying power is intentionally very good, but a wise tactician who realizes what the way is to fight them can break them pretty quick. They are not supermen, but they do require special tactics.

[Zim]

Yeah, in my celtic campaigns, Gesaetae have to be managed well, as they're pretty vulnerable to missile fire. They cost a ton of money, but even lowly accensi can take them out so long as teh Gesaetae don't catch them. It may take a few volleys, but missile fire, especially to their flanks helps a lot. Fighting them I sometimes even stop my soldiers when they try to charge after throwing their javelins, then have them throw another volley.

You might want to do a search of the forums on the killing them. Gaesetae seem to be a hot subject, I think there are a couple of threads floating around with lots of great tips on killing them.

P.S. If the enemy comes at you with 4-6 units of double gold chevron Gaesetae, the above doesn't apply. I recommend running, myself. I lost a whole stack Casse army to those guys.

[mcantu]

Doesnt sound like you have the battle difficulty at Medium...

[Little Legioner]

P.S. If the enemy comes at you with 4-6 units of double gold chevron Gaesetae, the above doesn't apply. I recommend running, myself. I lost a whole stack Casse army to those guys.

Lol infact i've already done this for several times and also one more "infact" i've made a terrible mistake with setting battle diffuculty to hard. This makes elite units to more elite and more elite means pain in the a**

Well, thank's for your advices. I'll refine and improve my tactics. Vae Victis then... I'll crush them

[Domitius Ulpianus]

The way to deal with these guys is the same way you should deal with any infantry unit. Confront them with a fairly strong unit (please don't use archers, slingers or skirmishers to repel their charge) then flank them and finally bring some cavalry and charge from the back. IMPORTANT: Give them a way out as soon as they break...or they will fight to the last man. If you don't have cavalry, confront them again with a strong unit and move your missile troops behind the Gaesatae and shoot them from behind.

If you don't have Misslie troops, nor cavalry....what the HELL are you doing fighting them....RUUUNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fallen851]

Yeah, inbut even lowly accensi can take them out so long as teh Gesaetae don't catch them.

That is interesting because I did a custom battle where I used Cretan archers vs Gaesatae, and after emptying all their ammo, the cretan only killed 3, and after engaging in melee, only 6 gaesatae were dead. Of course they reduced HP on a bunch of them with their ammo, but I don' think Accensi have a chance, unless you have 10 units of them vs 1 unit of Gaesatae.

Anyhow, I think the EB team likes the way they are balanced. I'm now less than a week away from releasing my own EDU text for the game, and elite units aren't close to being so powerful.

[Jarardo]

You can change the battle difficulty with RomeSage, here's a link:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...do=file&id=448

I used it for my current Romani campaign. The Hard difficulty was alright at first, but most of the battles I actually fight now are against generals with a lot of command stars, and the culmination of all those bonuses really gets whacky.

It's suggested to back up your save game before using it, I myself haven't had a problem with it.

[Zim]

That is interesting because I did a custom battle where I used Cretan archers vs Gaesatae, and after emptying all their ammo, the cretan only killed 3, and after engaging in melee, only 6 gaesatae were dead. Of course they reduced HP on a bunch of them with their ammo, but I don' think Accensi have a chance, unless you have 10 units of them vs 1 unit of Gaesatae.

Anyhow, I think the EB team likes the way they are balanced. I'm now less than a week away from releasing my own EDU text for the game, and elite units aren't close to being so powerful.

I'm not sure why, but slingers, even with fairly low attacks (like the 1 of the Accensi) seem to take out a lot more enemies than archers, even the Cretans. I wasn't thinking so much of a one one battle, I just remember invading Rome and having the guys cut my couple of Gaesetae units by a third or so before they hit the infantry. Eventually I took to keeping them in the second line, then charging the enemy army after the front lines had met.

[Intranetusa]

That is interesting because I did a custom battle where I used Cretan archers vs Gaesatae, and after emptying all their ammo, the cretan only killed 3, and after engaging in melee, only 6 gaesatae were dead. Of course they reduced HP on a bunch of them with their ammo, but I don' think Accensi have a chance, unless you have 10 units of them vs 1 unit of Gaesatae.

Anyhow, I think the EB team likes the way they are balanced. I'm now less than a week away from releasing my own EDU text for the game, and elite units aren't close to being so powerful.

I used 5 units of Roman peasants (peasant slingers), and killed about 75% of 2 units of gaesatates