The Battle of Zama - 202 BC

[Eduorius]

Carthage - Hannibal Barca

1. Carthaginian Citizen Cavalry (80)
2. Numidian Cavalry (80)
3. Forest Elephants (20)
4. Indian Elephants (30)
5. *Lugoae (80) - Army of Mago
6. Enoci Curoas (80) - Army of Mago
7. Balearic Light Infantry (80) - Army of Mago
8. Carthaginian Citizen Militia (100) - 2nd Line
9. Carthaginian Citizen Militia (100) - 2nd Line
10. Liby-Phoenician Infantry (100) - 2nd Line
11. Liby-Phoenician Infantry (100) - 2nd Line
12. Loricatii Scutarii (100) - Veterans
13. Elite African Infantry (80) - Veterans
14. *Samnite Medium Infantry (80) - Veterans
15. * Samnite Heavy Infantry (80) - Veterans
16. Enoci Curoas (120) - Veterans
17. Samnite Medium Infantry (80) - Veterans
18. Numidian Javalinemen (120)
19. Carthaginian Sacred Band Cavalry (5) - Hannibal

* Lugoae are placeholders for Ligurians and some of the Samnites are for Bruttians. Livy says that the veterans were mainly Bruttians.

[alatar]

Historical battles are a great idea, theres so many to choose from...

[Eduorius]

I am having a problem with the Veterans of Italy.


Warry says they were 12/15000, and Goldsworthy says 15/20000.

15000 soldiers means I get 600 soldiers with in RTW.

Now Livy states that they were mainly Bruttians (placeholder will be Samnites, or Pedites Extraordinarii).

I was thinking of something like this since all say that this line looked a lot like Romans.

1. Samnite Medium Infantry (100)
2. Samnite Medium Infantry (100)
3. Samnite Heavy Infatry (80)
4. African Elite Infantry (80)
5. Neitos or Enoci Curoas (120)
6. Iberian Assault Infantry (30)
7. Loricati Scutarii (60)

* Edit to say that the veterans are done. To check them out, see my third post where I say the composition of the army of Carthage.

[Eduorius]

The beta of Zama is ready for all to enjoy.

Check the first post and good luck ;)

Would like to know what you, EB community, think about the battle.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Cool! I don't know so much about the battle formations or anything, but here are my observations:

-immediately you are thrown into the battle, a few meters away from each other.
-the elephants for carthage are on the worst possible side of the battle - I charged one unit straight into the infantry, but swung the other one around to the non-skirmisher-side.
-that unit I kept to the side was the one that one the battle for me.

I don't know what happened on the field historically, but I rushed one elephant unit straight in and it caused an uproar - totally messed up the roman formation. by the time the unit routed, he had their lines all in disarray, and my line engaged their main infantry. They were holding nicely, and I see how I would have lost if not for the fact that their general had swung around to my right, but got caught up with some of my infantry and my cavalry. He routed, then right in that spot I swung to the right flank my elephants where there was no danger of skirmishers. Smashing them into the side of the Romans, it just tore their lines up and I rolled them. Easy at that point. Won a heroic victory.

[Eduorius]

I am glad you like it =)

The elephants are there so that they are easly beaten by the skirmishers and pila of the legionaires.

The elephants at Zama were not trained enough to do all the Pyrrhos or Seleukos stuff you did, but I cant make them more weaker without reducing their numbers.

here is a useful pic

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...talla_Zama.jpg

[Laman]

Fun battle. My Elephants did win it for me, after having ended up behind Roman lines, they could charge straight into the roman rear (all infantry was by then busy fighting, the Romans seemed to have had the upper hand, until the Elephants came crashing in, almost the entire roman army began to rout immediately, two or three units held out for a few seconds more, heroic victory )