Are Italian Militia really this good?

**Quickening** · 03-25-2007, 15:04

Hmm. Do we reckon this is intentional or just poor game balancing?

**Lusted** · 03-25-2007, 15:10

I think its intentional for the Italian nations to make cities more appealing for them.

**Carl** · 03-25-2007, 16:46

Your stats for Italian units are out.

Actual stats are:

Italian Militia: A:7 D:9 but they don't have schiltrom, only have Light_Spears (less effective than full spears), and only Spear_Bonus_4 rather than 8.

Italian Spear Militia: A:7 D13

Sergeant Spearmen: A:7 D:9

Armored Sergeants: A:7 D:14

**Didz** · 03-25-2007, 17:06

My figures were copied directly from the units stats, but are probably affectly by the fact that all my units are wearing leather armour now.

**Carl** · 03-25-2007, 17:59

My figures were copied directly from the units stats, but are probably affectly by the fact that all my units are wearing leather armour now.

that explains it, if the Sergeant Spearmen/Armored Sergeants didn't have their armour upgrade and the Militia spears (both types), did then it would explain the diffrances.

Bear in mind though that the diffrances between italian militia and Sergeant Spearmen are considrable. Whilst Italian Militia may be much better against infantry, (no penalties against infantry for Light_Spears), they will also be MUCH more vulnrable to Cav. Standered Spear Militia would easilly outperform them at that, and Sergeant Spearmen would make them look like a joke.

**Didz** · 03-26-2007, 11:02

I don't train Italian Militia for precisely that reason.

I noticed that they are far less resilient when I've met them in the Milanese Armies I've fought and so I stick to the Italian Spearmen Militia.

**Carl** · 03-26-2007, 11:06

I noticed that they are far less resilient when I've met them in the Milanese Armies I've fought and so I stick to the Italian Spearmen Militia.

no, no, no, no. With a Light Spear Italian Spear militia are much more capable against other spears, Italian Spear Militia could easily LOSE to ordinary Italian militia as the ISM have penalties vs. other infantry that the IM don't have.