Are Italian Militia really this good?

**Lusted** · 03-25-2007, 15:10

I think its intentional for the Italian nations to make cities more appealing for them.

**Carl** · 03-25-2007, 16:46

Your stats for Italian units are out.

Actual stats are:

Italian Militia: A:7 D:9 but they don't have schiltrom, only have Light_Spears (less effective than full spears), and only Spear_Bonus_4 rather than 8.

Italian Spear Militia: A:7 D13

Sergeant Spearmen: A:7 D:9

Armored Sergeants: A:7 D:14

**Didz** · 03-25-2007, 17:06

My figures were copied directly from the units stats, but are probably affectly by the fact that all my units are wearing leather armour now.

**Carl** · 03-25-2007, 17:59

My figures were copied directly from the units stats, but are probably affectly by the fact that all my units are wearing leather armour now.

that explains it, if the Sergeant Spearmen/Armored Sergeants didn't have their armour upgrade and the Militia spears (both types), did then it would explain the diffrances.

Bear in mind though that the diffrances between italian militia and Sergeant Spearmen are considrable. Whilst Italian Militia may be much better against infantry, (no penalties against infantry for Light_Spears), they will also be MUCH more vulnrable to Cav. Standered Spear Militia would easilly outperform them at that, and Sergeant Spearmen would make them look like a joke.

**Didz** · 03-26-2007, 11:02

I don't train Italian Militia for precisely that reason.

I noticed that they are far less resilient when I've met them in the Milanese Armies I've fought and so I stick to the Italian Spearmen Militia.

**Carl** · 03-26-2007, 11:06

I noticed that they are far less resilient when I've met them in the Milanese Armies I've fought and so I stick to the Italian Spearmen Militia.

no, no, no, no. With a Light Spear Italian Spear militia are much more capable against other spears, Italian Spear Militia could easily LOSE to ordinary Italian militia as the ISM have penalties vs. other infantry that the IM don't have.

**Didz** · 03-26-2007, 11:46

I can't be bothered with that sort of detail. The chances of matching Italian Militia to Italian Spear Militia in a melee are too remote for me to consider it important.

I use Italian Spear Militia to stop enemy cavalry charges, thats what they are there for in my army, the Italian Militia I cut down with my crossbowmen at a distance. On the rare occassions when they do get to grips with my main battle line I merely wheel my own cavalry round on their flanks and chew them up.

So, the only time I really need infantry killers is when taking a city wall and when that is needed I usually have plenty of men to spare so I can afford to lose a few extra due to a poor weapon match. More importantly, after I've taken the walls I need Italian Spearmen to cover my crossbowmen against cavalry during the march on the city centre.

So, overall I don't rate the Italian Militia as worth training, but thats mainly because of the tactic's I use.

**Slaists** · 03-26-2007, 22:01

Originally Posted by Carl

no, no, no, no. With a Light Spear Italian Spear militia are much more capable against other spears, Italian Spear Militia could easily LOSE to ordinary Italian militia as the ISM have penalties vs. other infantry that the IM don't have.

interesting. but is this really true? italian milita and italian spear militia both use spears... why would one spear unit have bonuses against another spear unit? i could see that a sword unit would have such a bonus, but italian militia do not use swords.