Latest Update on patch 1.2

[whodat]

Hot off the presses from the Totalwar.com site:

Hi guys,

Testing revealed a couple of issues in Update 2 that need to be ironed out. We have now submitted a new build to SEGA and it is currently undergoing further testing.

As always, we will keep you informed…

Thanks,

Mark O'Connell
(aka SenseiTW


This was posted today at 9:02am on the feature list post.

Guess this means I won't be seeing the patch this weekend. Oh well, at least they are catching the problems pre-patch.

[econ21]

Thanks for the heads up. Has there been any word on whether the patch will be save game compatible?

[Quickening]

I thought this thing was due out tomorrow? "Around the 23rd" they said.

[Lusted]

At least they are making sure the patch isn't buggy which is a good thing.

[whodat]

No problem Econ, glad to help.

Patience people, patience. Would you rather have a buggy patch that cause more conflicts, or one that works smoothly and fixes most/all the issues players have brought to CA/Sega's attention? What is a few more days if it improves the game play?

[Quickening]

No problem Econ, glad to help.

Patience people, patience. Would you rather have a buggy patch that cause more conflicts, or one that works smoothly and fixes most/all the issues players have brought to CA/Sega's attention? What is a few more days if it improves the game play?

Id rather have not need patches so urgently and had them sooner and bug-free frankly.
I have the patience of the Saint and thus far I have been amongst those who have said "Hakuna Matata" and just enjoyed the game as it is. But now its wearing thin. Just fix the damn game.

[vonsch]

I had the patience of a saint, but then the trait bug kicked in and now I'm at zero!

[Odin]

Id rather have not need patches so urgently and had them sooner and bug-free frankly.
I have the patience of the Saint and thus far I have been amongst those who have said "Hakuna Matata" and just enjoyed the game as it is. But now its wearing thin. Just fix the damn game.

As much as I hate to admit it Im starting to feel the same way as Quickening, on harder levels SP is becoming fairly annoying with the lack of AI Diplomacy.

[Foz]

I had the patience of a saint, but then the trait bug kicked in and now I'm at zero!

I don't think saints were really all that patient, to be honest. After all you get to be a saint by getting lots of important things done, don't you? Sounds pretty impatient to me.

As for the trait bug... if you mean the one where whole trait lines can just vanish because of their antitraits gaining a point, then check out my antitrait fix. It makes the whole problem go away. It's in my sig

[Bijo]

But by getting lots of things done doesn't mean one is impatient. It simply means one would get lots of things done, and the time frame wasn't even specified

Ah, anyway, I can be as patient as Buddha but it's good to know that the patch is coming up soon enough. I might even start playing M2TW again


...though that's a slim chance of course :P

[Memnoch]

I'm happy to wait if it means that the quality of the patch will be improved.

[Skyline Pete]

I'm kinda bummed about the patch coming out as it means I'll have to go and re-mod the game.

The only thing left about the game I haven't fixed is the shield bug. I've got everything else set up just the way I like it.

[fabiano]

No problem Econ, glad to help.

Patience people, patience. Would you rather have a buggy patch that cause more conflicts, or one that works smoothly and fixes most/all the issues players have brought to CA/Sega's attention? What is a few more days if it improves the game play?

I would be much more happier and patient if they did that tests before they release the game and I pay $50 for it...

Fabiano

[alpaca]

I would be much more happier and patient if they did that tests before they release the game and I pay $50 for it...

Fabiano

Well I'm sure they would have if it hadn't been for the christmas sales arriving ;)

[JCoyote]

Well I'm sure they would have if it hadn't been for the christmas sales arriving ;)

I don't know if that's an excuse for selling a car that's missings some sparkplugs and has to use a emergency halftire because all the tires aren;t done yet. The A/C you have to wait a few months for and the seatbelts you have to go to a 3rd party to get... But sure, the car worked, mostly.

[Lusted]

The analogy with the car industy doesn't work, if the car industry was like the pc gaming industry if you took the car back because of faults and went for another car, they'd all have faults!

In the pc gaming industry christmas is the most profitable time of the year so of course they had to have the game out by then.

[FactionHeir]

There's 3 important dates I guess:
Christmas, fiscal year end, pre-summer.

[Quickening]

I think all sane humans agree that the game should never have been released in the state it was. What I want to know now is exactly how long a wait to expect for this patch. Days? Weeks?

[FactionHeir]

Considering they need to fix bugs and send it back for approval, another 3 weeks.

[TinCow]

I think all sane humans agree that the game should never have been released in the state it was. What I want to know now is exactly how long a wait to expect for this patch. Days? Weeks?

I must be insane then. M2TW was far less buggy OOB than RTW. IMO it was about on par with OOB MTW, which everyone seems to praise out the wazoo.

[Quickening]

Considering they need to fix bugs and send it back for approval, another 3 weeks.

*weeps*

I must be insane then. M2TW was far less buggy OOB than RTW. IMO opinion it was about on par with OOB MTW, which everyone seems to praise out the wazoo.

With bugs like passive AI, the shield bug and the two-handed bug... I must agree, you are mental

[FactionHeir]

M2TW has more bugs than RTW. Look at the buglist to convince yourself.
My bugs found list for RTW was much shorther than that.

[Doug-Thompson]

I don't think saints were really all that patient, to be honest. After all you get to be a saint by getting lots of important things done, don't you? Sounds pretty impatient to me.

That's a good point. The mind boggles.

On a related note, today was a personal first for me.

I'm downloading the "Silent Hunter IV" patch to burn it on CD.

I haven't bought the game yet.

[Whacker]

RTW has plenty of bugs out of the box, but baring the savegame corruption bug that struck me once, it was far more playable than M2TW was/is in my opinion.

As to the expected patch 1.2 date, I'm guessing yet another week or two. Shall we take bets on the days? I call 3/30 at 8:00 AM EST.

[FactionHeir]

That's a good point. The mind boggles.

On a related note, today was a personal first for me.

I'm downloading the "Silent Hunter IV" patch to burn it on CD.

I haven't bought the game yet.

Eh? Patches come out before the games now?

[Doug-Thompson]

Eh? Patches come out before the games now?

Just about. The game came out March 20. The patch came out March 22. Haven't seen the game itself in stores in Little Rock, Ark. yet.

[Foz]

I think all sane humans agree that the game should never have been released in the state it was. What I want to know now is exactly how long a wait to expect for this patch. Days? Weeks?

Metacritic disagrees with you. When a game can score an 88 out of the box, it's clearly good enough to be released. Sure there's a bunch of stuff that we've all found out are bugs, but as people have pointed out, a great many of them are very difficult to notice when you play the game unless you know exactly what to look for. I think as a result of hunting down all these bugs, we've all drifted a bit toward the negative side of things. We're so focused on what's wrong with the game that we're missing what's right with it! All in all this is a great game even without the much-anticipated fixes of the 1.2 patch, and frankly I'm quite happy that I've had it to play and tinker with for the past few months: it's been undoubtedly far better than most other games that would've filled that time instead.

Would I have liked to see a more polished product released? Of course - but that doesn't take away from the value of what WAS released. A 3/4 finished work by a master painter is still sublime when compared to a completed work by a novice, especially when the master is already working on finishing it for you.

[SoxSexSax]

I don't see much right with M2 in its vanilla state Foz. Battlemap is utterly FUBAR due to shield bug, campaign map is dull due to ridiculous diplomacy and inept AI (anyone else seen the 8 crusading armies surrounding a target but not attacking it issue?), multiplayer is horribly unbalanced due to cavalry push through issue + shield bug, and had unplayable lag in 4v4.

All three major aspects of the game have huge bugs/imbalances. While there are good things in the game, it is impossible to enjoy them with all the bad. It'd be like eating an ecalir with sour cream. The pastry and chocolate will still taste the same, but would YOU want to eat it?

Ultra disappointed with CA, but not surprised. They know most players don't even read the forum. They know most players haven't even heard of the shield bug, much less noticed it. It's us hardcore players who actually PLAY the game (rather than merely playing WITH it) who suffer. We're their most loyal customers but we're also the ones who can't enjoy games where we see massive deficiencies in it. And the sheer volume of deficiencies in M2 have killed all my enthusiasm for it, which pre-release was pretty huge.

This is not the 1st time I've felt let down by a game company(and won't be the last, I'm sure). But M2TW certainly takes the award for biggest let down; that is to say it is the worst game I've played that I actually expected to be great. I've played worse games, but I didn't expect them to be as good as I expected M2 to be. And that is very disappointing.

[GuyofJerusalem]

The "issues" thus revealed are that CA are incompetent, uncaring programmers, not to mention game makers.

Nothing but net - you know it's true.

[BlackAxe3001]

@Foz

Couldn't agree more. Good analogy with the painting. I like it.



Yeah, bugs suck, but the game is FUN. It hasn't stopped me from playing it. Don't focus on the bugs, just have fun. It's cheap entertainment. $50/4000000000 hours of m2tw = DIRT CHEAP. Enjoy the game, CA actually gives a crap about the community and are fixing the bugs, it just takes time. Give them a break already, the patch will come when it comes. Complaining about waiting doesn't make it go any faster. If they rush, you complain because they didn't fix everything. If they take their time and fix everything, you complain it takes too long. Ease up already... don't make me bust out the whip!