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    Default Re: The beauty (or [insert word]) of Rome?

    What I meant was that money and power was restricted to a certain amount of people.
    At least, I don't think it was as bad as France in the middle ages: 1% of the population were rich and the remaining 99% were poor. But I digress...
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    Default Re: The beauty (or [insert word]) of Rome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
    Rome started to decay (morally), after conquering Greeks and entering in contact with the Hellenistic civilization, from wich it borrowed the worse.
    What sort of moral misconduct did they borrow from the Greeks according to you? Stuff like gladiator contests or the practice of crucifixion were either adopted from the old Etruscans or invented long before the Romans expanded into Greek lands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
    So, in the former moralistic and simplistic roman society, hommosexuality, divorce, promiscuity, perversion , cruelty stareted to be common during the time`s of Augustus. Certain laws needded to be made in order to abolish such stuff, and Augustus did try his best. He even banished his daughter (Iulia), for an adultery she made. But it was in vain. Things started to go downwards. And to a certain degree, once the fundamentall cell of a society (the family) becames "sick", the respective society wil eventually fall and crumble into pieces. The process may be long, or may be short, but will eventually happen.

    Its a sad thrut, as we are living in a society wich in many ways, is a reminder to that decadent Rome.And we might not even realize this.
    Civilizations fall and rise regardless of anything and everything. Your argument reminds me of Reagan, claiming once that the ancient Greeks vanished from the world because they practiced homosexuality

    For that matter- there is strong evidence that certain family values like marital love and loyalty became increasingly more emphasised in the old city states in Hellas in the period between Alexander and Roman domination.

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    the beauty of Rome was the Pax Romana. after war after war, they had peace in Europe for a nice long time. (not counting raids by the Germanians)

    Bijo you really like to rant.

    did Rome do more "good" things or more attrocites?
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    I would first like to get some sense out of Bijo, whose vagueness is legend and absurdity even more so.
    If you could post you're thesis upon Rome, in plain, non-pseudo philosophical English that would be great.

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    Default Re: The beauty (or [insert word]) of Rome?

    The simple fact of the matter is that Rome had power. The only thing people really respect.

    And it had lots of it. Nor was it scared to use it. The Roman Republic and empire were insatiable conquering entities, unstoppable in the eye of the general public, devouring state after state in an unceasing orgy of domination.

    And let's be honest: the Romans happened to have all that power over the West. What is Rome to an Iranian but a foreign empire trying to conquer his country? What is Rome to an Indian but a far-away, obscure empire? What, indeed, is Rome to a Chinese person? Or an African, except perhaps part of an attempt to stuff foreign knowledge down his throat? Rome, indeed, to a Russian, is far more Eastern, Christian and downright Byzantine than it is to an American, Frenchman or German.

    So it all depends on your point of view. Rome matters to us because it was that one great conquering entity which managed to either control or strongly influence all the major regions of what would become Western Europe, as well as the areas from where the overpowering majority of America originates. Everything that comes with that fact -- the arts, technology, philosophy and medicine -- is merely an added benefit.
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