Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now, let's crucify people for throw-away comments, Sasaki.

Who said anything about crucifying anyone? You and me seem to be having communication issues...

[scotchedpommes]

Surely the irritation was sufficient reason, no?
Consider it a suggestion, then.

[sapi]

Okay

My notes on the thread so far:

The original kill
- I buy the explanation that GH was an attempted conversion
- Was BlackAxe targeted because he had a role?
- If so, how did they find out (more later)?

Discussion
- A lot of discussion by Ichigo and Sasaki, yet nothing out of the normal
- CA talks a lot and says nothing

The only suspicious person so far is Ichigo in the BlackAxe issue.

Accepting that BA is innocent gives his accusation a bit more weight; but if I'm reading this right and he revealed in IRC why haven't the logs been posted?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

[Csargo]

The only suspicious person so far is Ichigo in the BlackAxe issue.

I've already explained my side of the story.

[sapi]

I'm sure you dont' mean that pic to be read as you being a rabid oriental out to kill white men...

[CountArach]

Or at least we can hope he isn't...

[Killfr3nzy]

I'm sure you dont' mean that pic to be read as you being a rabid oriental out to kill white men...

More specificly, wo-men.

[pevergreen]

So Killfrenzy, whats your uptake so far?

[Killfr3nzy]

Well Ichigo and Dicovery could be the mafia, as they were the only ones in chat with blackaxe, disco says he's not gonna be able to post as often, only shows up to defend Ichi and bandwagon a townie.
But that's probably wrong if the chat took place after. >.<
How many Cosa Nuova are there? I thought there were suppossed to be three, but there were only two kills/attempted converts. I'ma go check and see how many there where sposed to be now.
EDIT;
Yeah, there's three CN's.

There will be a total of three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi).

So that means either;
1. One didn't send in a PM, so is therefore absent.
2. Two guys 'buddied up' to get someone, which must mean it would increase thier chances to convert.
3. Kommodus only actualy created two CN.
4. One of the attempts succeded.
5. Something else that I can't think of right now.

Meybe we should lynch some of those that haven't been online in a while?

[pevergreen]

2 kills no matter how many.

[Killfr3nzy]

There will be no description of an attack when a player is converted, so you'll have no idea.

Ah crap, can't believe it took me this long to work out that there's a new CN. >.<
I can't remember, and can't be screwed looking right now; Do mini-CN's have the conversion ability?

[Andres]

Why does nobody ever bothers to read the rules...

There will be two or three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi), depending on how many people sign up. They will be randomly selected. Each night they will be able to target two villagers no matter how many remain.

*sigh*

That's 250,00 € please. You pay cash or by creditcard?

[sapi]

Wouldn't it be very obvious that someone got converted if there was only one kill recorded?

[pevergreen]

Maybe. But we wouldnt know who.

[Sigurd]

Wouldn't it be very obvious that someone got converted if there was only one kill recorded?

We'll see if the Mafia dare kill only one to fool us.

Considering the new information that Kommodus brought forth we should assume that foiled attempts = innocent player. That is; IF there are any doctor roles in this game.

[Killfr3nzy]

@Sigurd - I don't think they actualy get to choose if the person dies or not, they just inject them and the person either dies or gets converted.
@Andres and everyone else smart enough to remember that part of the rules - Gah, my bad, and thanks for the reminder.

Question - Would foiled attempts be shown? It would be a free showing of an innocent player, which might decrease the drama/suspense a bit.

[Andres]

@Andres and everyone else smart enough to remember that part of the rules - Gah, my bad, and thanks for the reminder.

You're welcome. Just don't forget to pay the bill. Off course, this post adds an additional fee of 50,00 €, so it's now 300,00 €. Cash or creditcard? Just send me a pm (+50,00 €) to work out the details of your payment.

[pevergreen]

We are in Australia.

He doesnt even have a job!

Back to the game please

[Sigurd]

@Sigurd - I don't think they actualy get to choose if the person dies or not, they just inject them and the person either dies or gets converted.

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

[pevergreen]

This game is sounding better and better

[seireikhaan]

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

That could complicate things. Of course, I have to wonder if you may have just given the mafia the idea to do just that. Perhaps they hadn't thought of it, and you may have just given them another tool.(although I'll presume you did so accidentally, for now)

[sapi]

Better that we know and can work around it than otherwise

[pevergreen]

You always presume the mafia has experience. They would have thought of it.

Even if he sigurd was mafia, he wouldnt need to post that. He would probably be more careful. But that leads to wifom.

He stated facts, lets leave it at that.

[seireikhaan]

Alright. I was just saying, I don't like giving an opponent any extra possibilities. And, as I said, I was not insinuating that Sigurd was mafia, I was just saying to be careful what you say.

[pevergreen]

Thats a mafia way of playing. You dont have anything to hide when your a normal townie....

[Kommodus]

There will be two or three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi), depending on how many people sign up. They will be randomly selected. Each night they will be able to target two villagers no matter how many remain.

I'm actually making a slight change to this rule: if the mafia are reduced to one member in total, they'll only get one attack per night.

This doesn't help the town much, though, since as has already been pointed out, there are many reasons why you might see only one attack description.

Just felt I should point that out instead of just changing things up without telling anyone...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

I can see that wagon coming now. "Oh look, there was only one kill, I bet they tried to convert Sasaki and succeeded!"

[Andres]

I can see that wagon coming now. "Oh look, there was only one kill, I bet they tried to convert Sasaki and succeeded!"

Why are you defending yourself against an accusation that is yet to be made?

[scotchedpommes]

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

I could envisage this tactic being used at a later stage in proceedings, but
wouldn't it be in their interest this early to try and convert as many as possible?