Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Interesting, why do you say that?

[Csargo]

Interesting, why do you say that?

Well, if I'm suspicious then you are just as suspicious using your own logic.

[Warluster]

Fos: Everyone but me

Can't trust anyone these days....

But who do I think is really suspicous? hm...hm...hm...hm...hm...

Still decding...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That part was in just, such tomfoolery can be ignored. Why did you say that about BlackAxe having a role?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Fos: Everyone

Can't trust anyone these days....

But who do I think is really suspicous? hm...hm...hm...hm...hm...

Still decding...

Does everyone include yourself? Self-FoS'ing is scummy.

[CountArach]

He said he was going to be active.

Why are you voting Roadkill?

Misread his post sorry.

Just a prompt for him to post.

[Csargo]

That part was in just, such tomfoolery can be ignored. Why did you say that about BlackAxe having a role?

Chat.

[Andres]

It seems our mafia are acting fairly independently, those kills don't seem to be chosen for the same reasons. This of course proves my innocence without question.

And don't say "I knew somebody would notice it" and proceed by prosecuting the one who noticed it...

I don't see why a self-invented (and somewhat weird) argument would prove your innocence.

[Csargo]

And don't say "I knew somebody would notice it" and proceed by prosecuting the one who noticed it...

I don't see why a self-invented (and somewhat weird) argument would prove your innocence.

You know that's just crazy enough to work.

[Andres]

However, instead of simply killing villagers, the mafia will inject them with a special solution containing nanites that will attempt to rewire their brains and place them under the control of the Cosa Nuova. Most of the time, this will result in death. However, there will be a few randomly selected “strong-minded villagers” who will survive the process. Upon being injected, these players will not die but will change their alignment – from then on they will play on the side of the Cosa Nuova, and their victory conditions will become those of the Cosa Nuova.

So, BlackAxe might have been a random kill on the one hand and the attack on GH might have been an attempt to convert him, because the mafia wanted an experienced player on their team.

And Sasaki tries to convince us that he is not capable to chose victim A, because it's a good kill choice and victim B, because it would be a good addition to the mafia team.

[Andres]

Chat.

So, you knew (or at least assumed) BlackAxe had a role and now he ends up dead...

Were there any other players around in the chat at that time?

[pevergreen]

FoS: Ichigo

For the chat comment. Puts suspicion on you.

[Sigurd]

So, BlackAxe might have been a random kill on the one hand and the attack on GH might have been an attempt to convert him, because the mafia wanted an experienced player on their team.

What you say here Andres is so plausible that I believe it is exactly the strategy the mafia has chosen. I think we might see similar kills in the following nights. We should be on the lookout for survivors if they are at all mentioned in the kill descriptions.
In a balanced game I have no doubts about Kommodus having ‘doctors’ that will save targeted players. These players might get lynched because of this.

In earlier games a player that survives an attack is innocent and hence a resource to the town. In this game however a survivor is more likely a Mafioso. It would be in the town’s interest to lynch all survivors.

GH is innocent and will be a great asset to the town if he continues to play. The same goes for BlackAxe.

If we should follow the suggestion of Andres, we could almost assume that one of the Mafiosi has played a few of our games to want GH on their team. Maybe a former mafia buddy? Ichigo and Myrddraal pops to my mind. Also Discovery1 basically announces that he won’t be playing much; a tactic that has resulted in more than one mafia victory. Why announce it?

Vote:Discovery1 for now…


Many new faces in this game. Are some of you formerly known as org fellars by a different name?
AND YEAH, I got a whole week off work… Easter time and finally some time off to play MAFIA!!!

[Stig]

Vote: Caius


#1. GH got killed, while he went after Caius. We all know it's good to safe GH for later on as he draws about 1 vote per day onto him. A vote which can't go to you.
#2. He labelled all sorts of people as mafia before the start.
#3. He said he has been invisible for a long time, but I believe I checked him in mafia IV or so, to see if he really was gone as he said.
#4. he's really wanted to see the kills.

[Andres]

Vote: Caius


#1. GH got killed, while he went after Caius. We all know it's good to safe GH for later on as he draws about 1 vote per day onto him. A vote which can't go to you.
#2. He labelled all sorts of people as mafia before the start.
#3. He said he has been invisible for a long time, but I believe I checked him in mafia IV or so, to see if he really was gone as he said.
#4. he's really wanted to see the kills.

#1. Nobody would seriously think a random accusation in the pre-game phase would be continued afterwards. It's more likely the mafia wanted to convert GH, not killing him because he went after a mafia buddy in the pre-game phase.
#2. He was just kidding around in the pre-day phase, having fun, I don't see anything suspicious about that. He does it in every game before it starts.
#3. I use invisible mode as well. Ever since Capo or Midgard I think. I used it both as mafia and townie. Even CR uses it, if I'm not mistaken.
#4. Didn't we all want to see the kills so that we could actually start the game? It was being a very, very long night. I was getting impatient as well, since Ichigo's game ended and I was in dire need of an active mafia game.

[Stig]

About #3. I haven't seen Caius using Invisibility before this game. But then that doesn't matter. imo he's suspicious, let him react to this.

Normally he would now vote for me and scream he isn't mafia, let see what he does. I already took him out as mafia twice before, he's easy to spot.

[Andres]

FoS: Ichigo

For the chat comment. Puts suspicion on you.

My mother always told me that pointing fingers at someone isn't polite

Ichigo, I'd like to know if there was anybody else (who is participating in this game) present during that particular chat conversation and if so, I want to see the reaction of those people. Also, did you pm somebody concerning your thoughts about BlackAxe?

Vote : Ichigo

Don't worry though, just answer my questions and I'll unvote you.

EDIT:@ Kommodus: is it allowed to post chat logs?

[Kommodus]

EDIT:@ Kommodus: is it allowed to post chat logs?

I suppose I'll allow this - as long as it's text and not a screen shot.

[GeneralHankerchief]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In two Cosa Nuova games, I have not managed to survive one night.

Now that my innocence has been assured, I do have my suspects, but I'm not going to reveal them for now until later on.

Andres does make a good point in Response #1, but you wonder if he's just detailing his own strategy.

-edit- It's clear by the kill description that the mafia wanted to convert me. You're forgiven - somewhat. I'm still gonna try my best to take you down though.

[seireikhaan]

What you say here Andres is so plausible that I believe it is exactly the strategy the mafia has chosen. I think we might see similar kills in the following nights. We should be on the lookout for survivors if they are at all mentioned in the kill descriptions.
In a balanced game I have no doubts about Kommodus having ‘doctors’ that will save targeted players. These players might get lynched because of this.

In earlier games a player that survives an attack is innocent and hence a resource to the town. In this game however a survivor is more likely a Mafioso. It would be in the town’s interest to lynch all survivors.

GH is innocent and will be a great asset to the town if he continues to play. The same goes for BlackAxe.

If we should follow the suggestion of Andres, we could almost assume that one of the Mafiosi has played a few of our games to want GH on their team. Maybe a former mafia buddy? Ichigo and Myrddraal pops to my mind. Also Discovery1 basically announces that he won’t be playing much; a tactic that has resulted in more than one mafia victory. Why announce it?

Vote:Discovery1 for now…
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Many new faces in this game. Are some of you formerly known as org fellars by a different name?
AND YEAH, I got a whole week off work… Easter time and finally some time off to play MAFIA!!!

Thanks for the advice, this is my first mafia game, so I'm still a little new to the whole thing. I liked the reasoning you stated, it seemed solid. However, you seem to know a lot about it, so, by your own reasoning, you're kind of incriminating yourself. However, I don't think any half-smart mafia would do so.
Vote: Myrddraal

[Caius]

Vote: Caius

I go to school and when i come back i have to deal with this

#1. GH got killed, while he went after Caius. We all know it's good to safe GH for later on as he draws about 1 vote per day onto him. A vote which can't go to you.
#2. He labelled all sorts of people as mafia before the start.
#3. He said he has been invisible for a long time, but I believe I checked him in mafia IV or so, to see if he really was gone as he said.
#4. he's really wanted to see the kills.

1.Or a vote that cant go to you
2.I was kidding, everyone did that thing too.
3-Liar. I changed to invisible in Midgard/Capo de Tutti Capi
4.Who not?

Vote:abstain

Because if I vote for you, you will came with a OMG OMG OMG!Bandwagon!.

Normally he would now vote for me and scream he isn't mafia, let see what he does. I already took him out as mafia twice before, he's easy to spot.

Easy Lynch huh?

Sure, thats your way to win.
I see your behaivour very suspechous.

[Stig]

Because if I vote for you, you will came with a OMG OMG OMG!Bandwagon!.

That would be very hard as it is no bandwagon

suspechous

oh yes indeed

[Caius]

Do you know what a conditional is

I said IF

Because if I vote for you, you will came with a OMG OMG OMG!Bandwagon!.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Stig

[Stig]

Do you know what a conditional is

I said IF

It doesn't matter, bandwagoning is something completely different



And any reason Sasaki, or are you just annoying me?
Or will you say that I post more often then in Ichigo's game?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes stig you are posting far more than usual. It is quite off your usual behavior.

*summons bandwagon*

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[Csargo]

My mother always told me that pointing fingers at someone isn't polite

Ichigo, I'd like to know if there was anybody else (who is participating in this game) present during that particular chat conversation and if so, I want to see the reaction of those people. Also, did you pm somebody concerning your thoughts about BlackAxe?

Vote : Ichigo

Don't worry though, just answer my questions and I'll unvote you.

EDIT:@ Kommodus: is it allowed to post chat logs?

Disco. No. I don't have the chatlog, but Disco might. I couldn't copy and paste it from IRC for some reason. One vote isn't something that I'm going to worry about Andres.

FoS: Ichigo

For the chat comment. Puts suspicion on you.

So for telling you something that I learned in the chat, that makes me suspicious?

@CF:You can't abstain it's in the rules.

Yes stig you are posting far more than usual. It is quite off your usual behavior.

*summons bandwagon*

No bandwagon smilie?

[Andres]

Disco. No. I don't have the chatlog, but Disco might. I couldn't copy and paste it from IRC for some reason. One vote isn't something that I'm going to worry about Andres.

Question answered in a satisfying way.

Unvote : Ichigo

I'm not going to vote Disco yet, since he announced he doesn't have much time, but I would like to hear his version of Ichigo's story and, if possible, a copy of the chatlog.

Ichigo, in previous games, you seemed to always keep a copy somewhere of mafia related chats. What exactly happened that you couldn't copy it?

Vote : Xehh II

The game started my friend. Now, you "wondered" why you didn't get a pm. Was that a lousy tactic to draw away suspicion since a mafioso off course would have known the game begun...

Anyway, would you like to give your thoughts on what happened so far yet?

[Csargo]

Question answered in a satisfying way.

Unvote : Ichigo

I'm not going to vote Disco yet, since he announced he doesn't have much time, but I would like to hear his version of Ichigo's story and, if possible, a copy of the chatlog.

Ichigo, in previous games, you seemed to always keep a copy somewhere of mafia related chats. What exactly happened that you couldn't copy it?

I've never done that If I'm in the chat and I could copy and paste it then yes I would, but I don't know how you copy and paste from IRC. I can't highlight the text and right click copy. Doesn't work.

IIRC Disco sometimes keeps copies of chat conversations I'll have to ask him when he shows up.

[Andres]

I've never done that

You did in Midgard.

But I'll wait for Disco's version.

Sasaki, why did you vote Stig? Posting more than usual isn't necessarliy scummy, especially after seeing what happened in Ichigo's last game where the town lost because of a serious lack of activity on the town's behalf...

And what about my comments on your behaviour in posts #188 and #190?