Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

Why did you bold some of my quote? It is making no sense to me. Please explain..

So not 4 CN and 11 Townies? 5 CN and 10 townies???3 and 12?

Edited out needless stuff

[Sasaki Kojiro]

WTF?!?!

Why did you bold some of my quote? It is making no sense to me. Please explain..

So not 4 CN and 11 Townies? 5 CN and 10 townies???3 and 12?

[Stig]

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Why?

Unvote: WH
Vote: Twilight
untill I know why

[pevergreen]

AGGH! This is annoyingly funny!

Stop bolding parts of my quotes, without words, i dont understand them!

[GeneralHankerchief]

AGGH! This is annoyingly funny!

Stop bolding parts of my quotes, without words, i dont understand them!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

T'blade:

You really should explain why you are voting for someone. For now, I wish to continue applying pressure to Caius, but bald votes without explanation are too easy a tool for the mafia to use if we let such continue. You must expand on why or you will draw votes.

[Kommodus]

Voting Closed. Stand by for execution.

[Kommodus]

Day 5


The sense of desperation in Gisenyi grew with each new Gacaca session, as did discontent with mayor Rwigema’s handling of the crisis. Most of the villagers had passed the prior night without sleep; this, combined with the secretive yellow envelopes many had received, resulted in many frayed nerves. The mayor had some explaining to do.

“Why keep us all in the dark?” someone asked angrily. “Wouldn’t it have been more effective to organize a group that could work together? If these rumors are true, you just sent lot of solitary individuals, unprepared and unequipped, to carry out dangerous missions. They could’ve been killed!” There were disgruntled shouts of agreement with this.

Rwigema tried to defend his choices. “Please try to understand,” he explained desperately. “I had no way of knowing whether or not I was delivering instructions to honest people or Cosa Nuova operatives. If I had tried to organize a team, a single enemy operative in its ranks would’ve undermined the success of the whole group.”

Some of the people recognized the wisdom of this, while others remained skeptical. The mayor continued.

“Also, think of what would’ve happened if the tasks I assigned had been public knowledge. The Cosa Nuova would’ve been the first to find out – and then they would’ve known exactly what to do to thwart our efforts.”

Most seemed to give grudging acknowledgement; though some still disagreed with the course of action the mayor had taken, they understood his approach.

“Fine,” a man said, giving voice to the consensus. “The only question, then, is why this wasn’t done sooner. But at this point it doesn’t matter. What’s important now is that we pool our knowledge – all of it – and solve this mystery once and for all.” With that the man pulled out a yellow envelope and withdrew a sheet of paper.

Rwigema looked alarmed but made no move to stop the man as he read the message in the envelope aloud. Having finished, he explained what he had done the previous night, and what he’d seen. “And now,” the man said, “let’s hear what the rest of you have to say.”

One by one, several people came forward and professed to have received envelopes. Some had brought theirs to the assembly; others had not. The mayor shook his head sadly; he knew he had placed many people at great risk. But what else could he do? The limited powers of the few government officials in Gisenyi were no match for a threat of this magnitude.

Thus it was that the people pooled the knowledge they had gained the night before along with everything else they could think of. In spite of this, however, they could not come to a strong consensus. Many claimed to be working for the good of the town, but almost every claim was questioned as the people shifted their inquiries from person to person.

It was true that the worst of the rancor was gone from the assembly, due to fear of their desperate situation. However, in its place were tension, suspicion, and paranoia. Everyone tried to keep their emotions in check and think as logically as possible, but this was easier said than done.

In the end it once again became necessary to take a final vote. Caius Flaminius, a colorful character who was often misunderstood, and Dutch_guy, who many perceived as being a bit too quiet, were both suspected.

As before, Rwigema ordered the people to stand in groups according to their individual decisions. He quickly counted each group – they were disturbingly small – and announced the result.

“Bring Dutch_guy forward,” he said resolutely. The accused man was seized and brought before the mayor. He didn’t resist, and the anger and fear one might have expected were scarcely to be seen. He merely looked tired.

“Dutch_guy, do you have anything to say?” asked Rwigema. Dutch_guy merely gazed at his accusers sadly. “I’m not one of your enemies,” he said with a touch of bitterness. “You’re putting the wrong man to death.” But he could change no minds.

The brutal execution the night before had plainly had no effect, and no one was anxious to repeat it. Dutch_guy was dispatched mercifully with a clean machete stroke that removed his head.

Vote Count

Dutch_guy: 4 (AndresTheCunning, HughTower, TwilightBlade, Warmaster Horus)

Caius Flaminius: 3 (greaterkhaan, sapi, Seamus Fermanagh)

TwilightBlade: 2 (pevergreen, Stig)

greaterkhaan: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)

sapi: 1 (Caius Flaminius)

Not Voting: 3 (Destroyer of Hope, Dutch_guy, RoadKill)

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy

Lynched

Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy


Suicide

Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo

Died of Mysterious Causes

Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

[pevergreen]

Hmm who is next? Quiet might be the best during this night phase.

[Dutch_guy]

Well, congratulations town. You'd say that lynching a mafioso when they so clearly outnumber [fos] us was easier than to lynch a townie yet again.

Worst thing is, however, that I got lynched while sleeping again. Frustrating, as everyone here knows I'm perfectly able to defend myself, and always do so.

Let's see what the 'case' was then:

It goes without saying that I find this all particularly scummy. Does anyone else see it?

No, I don't think anybody who actually stepped on the bandwagon did...

Won't make much difference if you're alone in voting him, though.

I'll follow. To give pressure and a tie.

To give pressure and a tie when you know the voting my end anytime in the next hour, and knwowing it's quite late for a student in Holland ? Plus, I daresay you know bandwagons are stepped upon easier than any other candidates, meaning you should have known you'd seal my fate.

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Why, especially after

Voting will continue until around midnight tonight.

Hello !

It all comes down to this, no one had any case at all, and therefor decided to wait and start a bandwagon when the odds where there that I wouldn't be able to even defend myself and stop the wagon.

Can't think of any other reason, as there so obviously wasn't any case against me at all....

[Csargo]

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

[Andres]

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Why? Why? Why? Why are you voting at this stage of the game without reasoning? In the process breaking a tie...



I need something stronger than this inquisitive smiley.

[sapi]

TB is converted, according to pever, who has been proven innocent (forget if this came out of a PM convo or not, for those who are wondering)

So Dutch_guy's death is interesting.

Either this was a mafia job, voting in concert, or TB saw that DG was dead, and wanted to vote in line with the town.

Since WH voted, it's unlikely to have been a mafia action; however ATC is very suspicious for starting this.

Has he been vouched for?

[HughTower]

It all comes down to this, no one had any case at all, and therefor decided to wait and start a bandwagon when the odds where there that I wouldn't be able to even defend myself and stop the wagon.

Can't think of any other reason, as there so obviously wasn't any case against me at all....

The case against you was circumstantial, it is true, but compelling all the same.

• You've lurked throughout, reacting only to interrogation, & voting in a 'safe' fashion
• The nature of your victim selection mirrors that of Mafia VI
• Your analysis only appeared to serve one real purpose - to make everyone forget about DoH
• When challenged on this, your next reaction is to try & create doubt in the shortlist

It is also worth noting that the first 3 people who voted for you were European & therefore in the same timezone as yourself, & that Kommodus announced the execution time after we had placed our votes.

I must admit, however, I was surprised to see you lynched - I thought a tie had been created by Horus. I think TwilightBlade has some explaining to do.....

Ichigo - as usual, a brilliant case well argued...

[Andres]

TB is converted, according to pever, who has been proven innocent (forget if this came out of a PM convo or not, for those who are wondering)

So Dutch_guy's death is interesting.

Either this was a mafia job, voting in concert, or TB saw that DG was dead, and wanted to vote in line with the town.

Since WH voted, it's unlikely to have been a mafia action; however ATC is very suspicious for starting this.

Has he been vouched for?

This post should prove I received an enveloppe the previous night.

And you can ask Ichigo, pevergreen and Sasaki.

TB broke the tie. At the moment of his vote it was 3 for Caius and 3 for Dutch.

HughTower voted Dutch as well, after I picked up on his reasoning + I already was suspicious about Dutch_guy. WH created a tie. TB broke it.

[Warmaster Horus]

TB does have some explaining to do. I created the tie in order to have a certain amount of discussion brought in. However TB, once again I believe, votes without explaining his choice.

I think, considering it's the night phase, we should all shut up and say nothing any more.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This post should prove I received an enveloppe the previous night.

And you can ask Ichigo, pevergreen and Sasaki.

TB broke the tie. At the moment of his vote it was 3 for Caius and 3 for Dutch.

HughTower voted Dutch as well, after I picked up on his reasoning + I already was suspicious about Dutch_guy. WH created a tie. TB broke it.

It's doubtful the detective would have revealed if he had an inconclusive on you (50% chance he does). What is your role exactly?

[sapi]

Then we need to look very carefully at Caius, not TB (who, according to a proven innocent, pever, is a conversion)

He was probably acting without CN orders, and he probably broke the tie in order to save a comrade, without realising that that is very suspicious.

As WH says, though, better not the give the mafia hints on who to kill, so we'll engage in more discussion tomorrow.

I honestly doubt that I'll survive the night

[Andres]

What is your role exactly?

Can this wait until the next day?

I hope this night will be a long one and the subsequent day as well. Won't be around here this week-end...

[sapi]

Andres, if I was you I'd pm your role to one of the known innocents (preferably one who is dead to be sure) so that they can reveal it and any results that you may have if you die tonight.

[Killfr3nzy]

Ah, but that's illegal.
Bad Sapi.

[Stig]

Right Twilight tomorrow


AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Who should me and Sapi watch? I think that deserves discussion ... sides if they kill us both (while others have far better skills) it means that we watched the mafia. Next to that Sigurd shouldn't block the people we watch.

Personally I think there's a big chance Hughtower is innocent as he was blocked by Sigurd last night, so there's a 67% chance of being innocent.

@Sapi, if Andres recieved the enveloppe he cannot privately reveal.

[Andres]

Andres, if I was you I'd pm your role to one of the known innocents (preferably one who is dead to be sure) so that they can reveal it and any results that you may have if you die tonight.

Cannot reveal in private. I gave pevergreen some clues, but didn't reveal anything...

My innocence can be confirmed by several players. I don't see why I should reveal my role.

In fact, I'm a bit disappointed we didn't work on a network trough pm, without revealing roles, only vouching for each other in the thread. Would have been much harder for the mafia.

With all this public revealing, I don't know what to think anymore.

Rwigema tried to defend his choices. “Please try to understand,” he explained desperately. “I had no way of knowing whether or not I was delivering instructions to honest people or Cosa Nuova operatives. If I had tried to organize a team, a single enemy operative in its ranks would’ve undermined the success of the whole group.”

Does that mean enveloppes were sent at random and a possible CN or converted got one as well?

[Warmaster Horus]

Does that mean enveloppes were sent at random and a possible CN or converted got one as well?

I can imagine Kommodus doing something like that... Although what the contents of the enveloppe in that case would be are anyone's guess. (translated into english: what would a CN receive in an envelope?)

In fact, I'm a bit disappointed we didn't work on a network trough pm, without revealing roles, only vouching for each other in the thread. Would have been much harder for the mafia.

That will be for next time :)

[Stig]

translated into english: what would a CN receive in an envelope?

A role which he can use to make himself innocent

As Alex and I did in Midgard

[Andres]

Who should me and Sapi watch?

Discuss that in private with Sigurd and Seamus (can watch players as well, only 33 % chance of succes though).

Always send a copy of the pm's to a murdered and thus innocent player so things can get checked afterwards if one of you is CN after all. The confirmed innocent can watch and tell the town if any of you is lying. Maybe you should pick 2 innocents, who are both living in different timezones, to make sure at least one of them is here when discussion is going on.

Murdered players:

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II - killed by Vigilante, not confirmed innocent
Killfr3nzy

GH and CA live in different timezones and are most likely to keep participating. CR and Killfr3nzy seem good choices as well for this. Personnally, I think Sasaki is innocent as well, but he got lynched, so we can't be 100 % sure.

[Dutch_guy]

The case against you was circumstantial, it is true, but compelling all the same.

• You've lurked throughout, reacting only to interrogation, & voting in a 'safe' fashion
• The nature of your victim selection mirrors that of Mafia VI
• Your analysis only appeared to serve one real purpose - to make everyone forget about DoH
• When challenged on this, your next reaction is to try & create doubt in the shortlist

Okay,

1) Been doing this since about the third game I've ever played in. God knows how many I've done since.

2) No, it does not. I would have killed completely different people, as I have tried to make clear in the beginning of the game. TB, for instance, would not have lasted this long, and GeneralH would still be alive. That was merely an example.

3) No, it was not. I forgot about DOH because he had even less posts than I had at that stage, and because I considered him dead already (WOG'ed) as I thought at the time that he'd be put out of the game due to a lack of voting activity.

Also, the only thing I've done is alert the town of DOH's activity. Were I a mafia, and he my partner, then I would have never taken that risk - as the chance that someone would find out I had been steadily excluding him from the town would have been too high. I'm not one to underestimate the town, especially as a mafioso, when people like Sigurd are still alive...

4) A doubt which hasn't been addressed by any living soul, except Sasaki, a fact which is disturbing considering the fact that if I'm right the town has probably lost the game already - and you have all been fooled by someone claiming a pro town role, but working that role in favour of the mafia. The chance of such a thing happening is slim, of course it is, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be brought up. Most certainly not enough to warrant a lynch.

Also, do note I didn't vote this round, not even to save myself. Me being asleep at the time the wagon started may have something to do with it of course, but still it had to be said

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Let's PM the night duties to one another, or better yet a central coordinator (pev'?). We need to get this orchestrated to minimize duplication of effort and maximize info.

[Csargo]

Ichigo - as usual, a brilliant case well argued...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

haha, I think the town is screwed.