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    Default First gitmo captive pleads out.

    David hicks has pleaded out, in the first of the trials of detainees.

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    Hicks pleads guilty in Guantanamo

    Hicks, pictured above in Kosovo, has been
    held without trial since early 2002 [AP]
    David Hicks, the Australian detainee at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, has entered a plea of guilty to a charge of providing material support for terrorism.

    The 31-year-old entered the plea before a military tribunal on Monday, the first of almost 400 prisoners held at the base to face prosecution under revised US military tribunal rules.

    The new tribunal was established by the US congress after the supreme court found the Pentagon's earlier version to be unconstitutional.

    Hicks, who has been held for five years, faces two charges of providing material support for terrorism by fighting for al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in late 2001.

    Hicks's plea came during a second tribunal session on Monday evening at the US military base.

    His lawyer told the judge his client pleaded guilty to a charge that says he intentionally provided support to a terror organization involved in hostilities against the United States.

    Charges against Hicks

    That he intentionally provided support to a terror organization involved in hostilities against the United States.
    Plea: Guilty

    That he provided support for preparation, or in carrying out, an act of terrorism.
    Plea: Not guilty
    He denied a second charge that he provided supported for preparation, or in carrying out, an act of terrorism.

    Hicks was originally charged with war crimes and conspiracy to commit murder, and critics say the new charges are broader and less specific.

    Human rights groups have criticised the tribunal saying the process lacks legal safeguards, while the crime with which Hicks is charged did not even exist when he was captured in 2001.

    News of Hicks's guilty plea was welcomed by Australia's foreign minister who said he expected him to return home soon to serve his sentence in an Australian jail, under an agreement reached with Washington.

    "My guess is he will be able to come back (to Australia) fairly soon," Alexander Downer told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio.

    Earlier Hicks's Australian lawyer, David McLeod, said Hicks was convinced he would not get a fair trial and might plead guilty if it would get him home sooner.

    McLeod said there had been discussions about a potential plea agreement under which Hicks would receive a reduced sentence if he pleaded guilty.

    Hearing

    During Monday's initial arraignment hearing Hicks, wearing a khaki prison jumpsuit, told the judge he was satisfied with his Pentagon-appointed attorney but wanted more defence lawyers and paralegals "to get equality with the prosecution."

    But the judge, Marine Col. Ralph Kohlmann, said two civilian lawyers, including a defence department attorney, were not authorised to represent him.

    The two were ordered to leave the defence table when Hicks said he would not settle for them being designated as legal consultants.

    Hicks's father, Terry, was allowed to meet
    his son before the hearing [EPA]
    One of the lawyers, Joshua Dratel, said he refused to sign an agreement to abide by tribunal rules because he was concerned the provisions do not allow him to meet with his client in private.

    The US military flew Hicks' father and sister to the base and allowed them to meet privately with him in the court building before the hearing started.

    Hicks has previously appeared before an earlier military tribunal system created by a presidential order, which the US supreme court later ruled unconstitutional.

    Last year the US congress, then under a Republican majority, passed a law authorising a reconstituted tribunal regime with some adjustments but still operating outside of regular US courts or military courts-martial.

    The commission law permits hearsay, evidence obtained through "coercion", to be admitted to the case, and bars detainees from appealing their detention in US courts.

    Coercion


    "I recognize that around the world, 'Guantanamo,' when you say the word, has a negative connotation"

    Air Force Colonel Morris Davis,
    the chief prosecutor
    Hicks' lawyers and human rights monitors observing the hearings say the trials are rigged to ensure convictions and allow the information obtained through coercion.

    Hicks is not accused of involvement in the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington DC and Human Rights Watch has said he could easily be tried in a regular US court.

    Speaking to reporters before Monday's arraignment hearing, Air Force Colonel Morris Davis, the chief prosecutor for the tribunals, said prosecution planned to prove Hicks had provided "support for the al-Qaeda organisation".

    Davis admitted critics had effectively turned public opinion against the Guantanamo tribunals but said he expected that to change once the military begins presenting evidence.

    "I recognize that around the world, 'Guantanamo,' when you say the word, has a negative connotation," he said. "One thing I hope is that in the way we conduct these proceedings, maybe we can change some of those attitudes."


    this is interesting that both the prosecution and defense plead out straight away...
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    Give him the o"range jump suit coming out party", Islam style.
    RIP Tosa

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    Thats not bad going is it , 5 years to bring relatively minor charges against a nobody and then do a deal for a guilty plea .
    Way to go Guantanamo

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    Default Re: First gitmo captive pleads out.

    I have some trouble with him being tried by a military court. He is not subject to the UCMJ and likely not the Geneva Accords...so what are they trieing him under?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
    I have some trouble with him being tried by a military court. He is not subject to the UCMJ and likely not the Geneva Accords...so what are they trieing him under?
    The "We have all the guns, go to hell" clause.

    Anyone else find it very convenient that his civilian lawyers weren't allowed in?

    "It's definitely a fair trial, just you know, no cameras, press, civilians, monitors, and only people who stand to lose a lot if he's found not guilty."

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    Default Re: First gitmo captive pleads out.

    Quote Originally Posted by BDC
    The "We have all the guns, go to hell" clause.
    Hmm, yes, I think that was originally codified by Pompeius Magnus; we've been invoking it quite a lot.

    It has a certain clarity, though, doesn't it?

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    Default Re: First gitmo captive pleads out.

    Earlier Hicks's Australian lawyer, David McLeod, said Hicks was convinced he would not get a fair trial and might plead guilty if it would get him home sooner.

    McLeod said there had been discussions about a potential plea agreement under which Hicks would receive a reduced sentence if he pleaded guilty.
    well those 2 lines should put a damper on anyone who thinks this proves the big G is working

    basically i think his lawyer relised he wouldnt get out unless he pleaded for something and so made a deal for a pathetic charge...

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    it seems like our wonderful government might of leaned on the US to offer a deal and get him out of there, it wasn't doing anyone any good i think...

    goes to show how bad he must of been to offer "the worst of the worst" a deal in which he gets home with very likely almost zero extra time to serve... great process i say...

    the best part is the wonderful government here, say that this justifies their position all along... what garbage...
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