Roman Triumph?

[Al-Masri]

Has anyone actually gotten the Roman Triumph since .81 was released? It still seems broken to me

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Seeing how many triumphs there were in the first thirty years of our mod's timeframe (I'm writing them all down), I'm starting to come around to the idea of making them a little easier.

[Brightblade]

yeah! even though romans are ezmode for the first 30 years :D

[Maeran]

Seeing how many triumphs there were in the first thirty years of our mod's timeframe (I'm writing them all down), I'm starting to come around to the idea of making them a little easier.

Perhaps a general's influence could modify the requirements? So a high influence general can get a triumph against- say- only slightly heavy odds, but a political nobody has to pull off a victory of epic proportions to be considered.

Is the scripting language capable of varying the odds like that?

[Zaknafien]

There is more variety in Triumphs and honors coming.. but keep that between you and me

[Al-Masri]

Can do Zak

[ereunao]

My top general has had one (Vs Sweboz), and will go back to Rome for his second (Maks) as soon as he's got the Seleukids on the run (Can you have 2 triumphs on one trip home?).

He's 37, its 223 AD, VH/H.

That's all I've had, though other generals have come close.

Seeing how many triumphs there were in the first thirty years of our mod's timeframe (I'm writing them all down)

@ TA - how many were there, assuming you're done counting?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

There are a lot. In the first forty years of our game, just a rough guess is one almost every year. A few years have two, a few years have none. Maybe a little less than one a year, but certainly one every two years I'd say.

[Spoofa]

If Rome seems to easy for you then after conquering all of the Italian peninsula i suggest waiting till the AI builds up.

[ereunao]

Me? Ok, i finished off Carthage, but with the others, I was merely defending myself.

ETA and I wasn't meaning to brag, just answering the question in the OP.

[Cyrano~]

I've been unable to get the men to name the general "imperator" (as Roman general vs Carthage). I've won several battles (after passing the other requirements) as described in the "traits" sticky and yet nothing.
Is this working properly in .81a ?

Thanks

[ereunao]

Mine was .81 - can't speak for .81a.

[Atilius]

I've been unable to get the men to name the general "imperator" (as Roman general vs Carthage). I've won several battles (after passing the other requirements) as described in the "traits" sticky and yet nothing.
Is this working properly in .81a ?

Thanks

You need to win a battle involving large numbers of troops on both sides with the chance of victory roughly even or in the enemy's favor. There are other requirements, but these are the difficult ones.

[Cyrano~]

You need to win a battle involving large numbers of troops on both sides with the chance of victory roughly even or in the enemy's favor. There are other requirements, but these are the difficult ones.

Yep, did that a few times (I had read the spoiler in the thread about traits).....still nothing. Maybe the men hate the guy ! :)

[L.C.Cinna]

posted this in another thread already. now 5 campaigns with Romans and never got one although i fullfilled the requirements.

[Cyrano~]

By the way, what am I missing out by not being able to get my general his triumph, anything worthwhile ?

[Revenant]

Ok, so I tried to achieve being named „Imperator“…

Conditions:

;Trigger: Imperator_granted_PostBattle_Defender_large_UnitSize
; o <Imperator> 1 Chance 100
; o <Triumphator> 1 Chance 100

Trigger Imperator_granted_PostBattle_Defender_large_UnitSize
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition IsGeneral
and WonBattle
and not WasAttacker
and FactionType seleucid
and Trait UnitSize = 3
; and NumEnemiesInBattle > 1000
and NumFriendsInBattle > 1000
and BattleOdds > 0.7
and PercentageEnemyKilled > 30
and Trait BattlePoints > 3
and Trait Imperator < 1

Affects Imperator 1 Chance 100
Affects Triumphator 1 Chance 100

Now I had two battles with my general, with 1000 + troops on both sides, I was defender (but the requirements for attacker are the same), odds were 2 to 3 against me (that probably fulfill the BattleOdds > 0.7 requirement) and my general has 25+ battles. I won both battles, killed a majority of enemies, but still nothingL I do not know what the requirement BattlePoints > 3 means, but probably number of battles my general participated in.

I can live with it, just want my old commander has his Triumph... So, am I missing something or what?

I took the requirements directly from data folder. And I have 0.81a version with CTD fix.

If something is Top Secret, then sorry…

[Revenant]

BTW, I play on "Large" unitsize and of course as Roman :)

[Redmeth]

I remember a Heroic Victory as Romanii played on huge with 5-2 odds against me , i got like 2-3 thousands kills and my general was a vanquisher and everything and this is not the only example, I too believe Imperator trait and thus Triumphs are broken.

[sgsandor]

You Know I think so too because my general has even "seen the elephant" and his soliders wont name him imperator or get a trimuph

[antisocialmunky]

Question: Shouldn't it be Battle Odds < 0.7 and not Battle Odds > 0.7? I would think that > 0.7 means odds of winning at more than 7 to 10 wouldn't it.

[Sdragon]

I got a general named imperitor after beating 2 Carthage armies at once in a battle with the odds slightly against him, took some major casualties since I was trying to fight in a more Roman manner At the same time he got uncomfortable supervisor strangely enough. :)
He never got named for a triumph though, damn senate...

[Revenant]

Question: Shouldn't it be Battle Odds < 0.7 and not Battle Odds > 0.7? I would think that > 0.7 means odds of winning at more than 7 to 10 wouldn't it.

I do not know how it works, but I took it directly from the datafile.

I also do not know what "and Trait BattlePoints > 3" actually means, so here can be problem:)

[Dyabedes of Aphrodisias]

My dude is well on his way; he just has to be named Imperator, apparently.

I'm ready for an epic faceoff with their last good army, so I should get it.

My brand new Polybian Roman army led by Hannibal vs. Carthage's huge army of elites led by noone (I killed all their generaling family members), I hope the odds are still slightly in their favor.

[Revenant]

OK, I fought several battles, where I fulfilled requirements 1.000 + soldiers per side and with odds against me, I even tried several with odds for me, but absolutely nothing

I do not understand... if only it would be random, but it is not...

[antisocialmunky]

Hmmm, that is odd as it is 100% as you mentioned. The more I look at that code, the more I'm sure that greater than sign is the problem:

and PercentageEnemyKilled > 30
...
and Trait Imperator < 1

Those make sense. If you kill MORE than 30% of the enemy force AND have LESS THAN a point to the Imperator Trait you get it if you fullfill everything else.

and BattleOdds > 0.7

This doesn't make sense. This seems to read, the odds of winning this fight are GREATER than 70% and not LESS than 70%. So the only way to get it if IF THE AI ATTACKS YOU WITH THE ODDS ROUGHLY EVEN OR IN YOUR FAVOR. This theory would explain why you dont' get it after massive heroric battles and that some people still get it.

[Revenant]

That is true, but I even had battle with 2:1 to my favor, more than 1.000 men per side etc...

And that is also more than 0.7

So I just do not know.

I personally do not understand how the"BatleOdds" trigger works, it can be the other way - It can be battleodds against human .

[antisocialmunky]

I'd wish someone who knows something about triggers posts something soon.

[LordCurlyton]

I think completely wiping out a faction should net you one as well. I wiped out the whole of carthage with primarily 2 generals and all I managed was to get one up to Vanquisher of Carthaginians. As of now I've stopped trying to get triumphs with the romani and have done the vast majority of the rest of my conquering with non-general armies unless absolutely necessary.

[abou]

There are a lot. In the first forty years of our game, just a rough guess is one almost every year. A few years have two, a few years have none. Maybe a little less than one a year, but certainly one every two years I'd say.

Heh, reading about triumphs it sometimes seems that as long as you have the connections all you need to do is not lose to get a Triumph rather than win a decisive victory.