Persian Immortals?

[Static]

Just wondering if there's an equivelant to them in this mod, I was going through the faction lists but couldn't find them.

[Zarax]

If you found them in XGM, I have to warn you that they are a purely fictional what-if unit as the parthians had a much more cavalry focused roster than the old achmeneid persians...

[Static]

ok, so is it that this mod has a dif timeline from when they existed? Because they did exist, you can find a wikipedia page on them.

[Zarax]

They did exist but they were an elite unit of the defunct achmeneid empire, they disappeared after Alexander conquered the persian empire...

[Domitius Ulpianus]

Well it's not like everything in wiki is true....just saying hehe

[Sdragon]

Pretty sure Alexander the Great killed them off. around 400BC would it have been, or later?

[Static]

ok thanks, yeah, I guess this mod takes place several decades later than their existence.

[Sheep]

Pretty sure Alexander the Great killed them off. around 400BC would it have been, or later?

Alex was in the mid to late 300s, I believe.

[abou]

Just wondering if there's an equivelant to them in this mod, I was going through the faction lists but couldn't find them.

The Seleukid Argyraspidai is the closest you're going to find.

[Fondor_Yards]

The Seleukid Argyraspidai is the closest you're going to find.

Argyraspidai? They are heavy pikemen or elite super armoured spearmen. The immortals were nothing like that. They would have basicly been Eranshar Arshtbara but with better weapons, armour, training, and so on.

[abou]

Argyraspidai? They are heavy pikemen or elite super armoured spearmen. The immortals were nothing like that. They would have basicly been Eranshar Arshtbara but with better weapons, armour, training, and so on.

What was a unit attached directly to a ruler that constantly numbered 10,000 men, was of the highest quality, and armed with the best equipment? Static asked for an equivalent and this is the closest analog you will find.

Come on, Fondor, please tell me you value my opinion more than that.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Alex was in the mid to late 300s, I believe.

3-3-3, bei Issos Keilerei. He started his campaign in about 335 and died in 323.

[Fondor_Yards]

What was a unit attached directly to a ruler that constantly numbered 10,000 men, was of the highest quality, and armed with the best equipment? Static asked for an equivalent and this is the closest analog you will find.

Come on, Fondor, please tell me you value my opinion more than that.

Yes but as I see the question, he is asking for for an equivalent eastern style unit for them.

[hoom]

Both are correct: the closest in terms of being 10,000 strong & attached to the royal household is the Argyraspidai
But the closest in terms of equipment used is one of the light eastern unit types.

[RabbitDynamite]

The Baktrian Eranshar Arshtabara with some experience/morale bonuses would be the closest you'd get to the immortals, methinks.

[edyzmedieval]

In terms of equipment(not including armor), the Eranshar Arshtabara is indeed the closest you can get. They have a big spear and they carry a powerful bow. But, they aren't too heavily armored, as the Immortals would have been.

[Laman]

I think an Eranshar Arstbara with some armor would be only possible fantasy unit I can think of that are feasible enough for one to actually want in EB (as far as any fantasy unit can be considered feasible for EB ) :)

Atleast in my Bactrian game I thought, I wish I could have some Eranshar Arstbara types with some sort of armor. But on the other hand when one would get to such situation one could train those hypothetical units one is already rich enough to train phalangites of various kinds (atleast for Bactria and Seleucids) to stand in the front line.

[Shigawire]

ok, so is it that this mod has a dif timeline from when they existed? Because they did exist, you can find a wikipedia page on them.

A wikipedia page? Then it surely must have existed!

[Watchman]

Do I hear sarcasm ?

[Tretii]

Here, it's explained pretty clear what Persian immortals were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Immortals

[Foot]

No one is disputing that they did exist, they just happened to be the elite regiment of the Achaemenid army ... and wait, the achaemenids were beaten by Alexander. No more Immortals.

Foot

[Zaknafien]

theres also a wikipedia page on the giant lizard people who live in the earth, one of whom, it turns out, is actually George W. Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_people

According to David Icke reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. He contends that most of our world's leaders, from George W. Bush to members of the British royal family, are in fact 7-foot tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconia.

According to an interview with David Icke, Christine Fitzgerald, a confidante of Diana, Princess of Wales, claims that Diana told her that the Royal Family were reptilian aliens, and that they could shapeshift. [12] David Icke and others have claimed that U.S. President George W. Bush and his family are part of this same bloodline (Icke, 2004).

Icke claims, based on his exploration of genealogical connections to European royalty, that many presidents of the United States have been and are reptilian humanoids. In his view, United States foreign policy after September 11 is the product of a reptilian conspiracy to enslave humanity, with George W. Bush as a servant of the lizards.

He also theorizes that the reptilians came here from the constellation Draco. One type of reptilian entity that people see during alleged encounters resembles reptoids like those that are addressed in the studies of John Rhodes and the Reptoids Research Center. Like most conspiracy theories, proving Icke's hypotheses is impossible, but he continues to sell books and give speaking engagements based on concepts ranging from the New Age to his political opinions.

Others who share the negative viewpoint of reptilian humanoids include Cathy O'Brien, a woman who claims to be a victim of CIA MKULTRA mind-control. O'Brien says in her book "The Trance-formation of America" (with Mark Phillips) that she witnessed George Bush Sr. physically shapeshift into a reptilian alien being. She rationalized this as potentially being a holographic illusion as part of her mind control programming.

Arizona Wilder reported similar sightings of prominent politicians shape-shifting into reptilian beings during Illuminati blood rituals. While her claims sound frightening, no supporting evidence or additional eyewitnesses exist.

Patrick Bellringer and other supporters of NESARA also claim that George Bush is a reptilian. In this scenario, the announcement and implementation of NESARA (a law passed in secret) will ultimately end reptilian control over the planet Earth.

[Watchman]

I wonder if whoever owns the rights to V sued these guys for rank plagiarization...?

[BozosLiveHere]

theres also a wikipedia page on the giant lizard people who live in the earth, one of whom, it turns out, is actually George W. Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_people

What's innacurate about it? These guys (Icke and co.) really do believe in that crazy story. The article never claims lizard people are real, quite the opposite:

Reptilian humanoids are a proposed race of intelligent, supernatural, or highly developed reptile-like humanoids in mythology, popular fiction, pseudoscientific theories and in the writings of New Age conspiracists. They appear in some conspiracy theories, most notably those of Riley Martin, John Rhodes, David Icke, and in science fiction. Reptoids, a conjoined word defining Reptilian-Humanoid beings, is the most popular name used to describe these cryptid beings, although some authors also refer to them as dinosauroids, lizardfolk or lizardmen. Other names include Draconians, Saurians and Sauroids. They are often described as being green or gold color.

Similar to the other cryptids, no one has produced proof of the existence of reptilian humanoids, and allegations of their existence can at best be referred to as cryptozoology or pseudoscience.