Phalangite armour?

**Ragnor_Lodbrok** · 03-26-2007, 20:19

Playing a Hayasdan campaign, I've noticed Seleukid phalangites take quite a few arrows before they die, even if they're shot in their backs, using Persian archers with composite bows.
Now, is this supposed to be this way?
I find it a bit weird for a densely packed formation to survive volley after volly of flying pointy sticks.

**Zaknafien** · 03-26-2007, 20:44

i dont know what armor theyre wearing but if its a linothorax, arrows rarely penetrated it :)

**Ragnor_Lodbrok** · 03-26-2007, 20:46

Yeah, but I still think it would cause panic and the phalangites would trample themselves to death

**Domitius Ulpianus** · 03-26-2007, 20:53

I don't have experience using Persian Archers...but using Greek Slingers (shooting from behind) they die like flies...and rout easily....are you sure you are shooting exactly in the back?

**Kugutsu** · 03-26-2007, 20:58

When I played my Hayasdan campaign with 0.8 I found that horse archers were able to decimate argyraspidai, and I dont think phalanxes come much heavier than them. The trick with HAs is to hold fire, let them advance, then when you skirmish away they try to retreat. At that point shoot them in the back. Generally only a fraction of the unit makes it back to their lines...

**antisocialmunky** · 03-26-2007, 21:27

Originally Posted by Domitius Ulpianus

I don't have experience using Persian Archers...but using Greek Slingers (shooting from behind) they die like flies...and rout easily....are you sure you are shooting exactly in the back?

There's a big difference between piece damage and shock damage and its represented in the game well. Rocks crush what's under the armour while leaving the armour intact while arrows have to pierce the armour to do damage.

But yes, I've seen Eastern Horse archers SHRED foot units of all kinds. Heavy infantry usually gets decimated by HA. Perhaps you should retry the encounter in custom battle.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-26-2007, 22:00

phalangites have a high shield rating, to represent their high foward defense.

**Domitius Ulpianus** · 03-27-2007, 06:00

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

There's a big difference between piece damage and shock damage and its represented in the game well. Rocks crush what's under the armour while leaving the armour intact while arrows have to pierce the armour to do damage.

But yes, I've seen Eastern Horse archers SHRED foot units of all kinds. Heavy infantry usually gets decimated by HA. Perhaps you should retry the encounter in custom battle.

I understand there's a difference...but I think it would be reasonable to think that from behind rocks or arrows would do a maximun damage to any unit and the difference between the two would be minimized.