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    Thumbs up Disturbing discovery(?) in the Hero_Kings

    Okay, I've probably got completely the wrong end of the stick here, in which case I'd appreciate someone setting things straight. I was moseying around in the HEROES.txt file, trying to solve this problem we have in that other thread (about the 1st heir in an era sharing the StartLeader's name).

    This is about the English kings but that's only because of my ignorance of foreign medieval history (I can use Wiki to fix that, if I can find the time). Anyway, the same problem I've set out here could be affecting all the other factions too. It's going to be frustrating for anyone who wants their mod to produce kings in line with history if the mechanism of these lists isn't as clear as it could be.


    Here's the English forenames (I've appended numbers, to save you counting repeatedly when comparing lists)

    ...\Loc\Eng\NAMES.TXT

    // english forenames
    ["Alfred"]______{"Alfred"}______0
    ["Edward"]____{"Edward"}______1
    ["Edmund"]____{"Edmund"}_____2
    ["Edgar"]______{"Edgar"}_______3
    ["William"]_____{"William"}______4
    ["Henry"]______{"Henry"}______5
    ["John"]_______{"John"}_______6
    ["Harry"]______{"Harry"}_______7
    ["George"]_____{"George"}_____8
    ["Howard"]_____{"Howard"}____9 (non-kingname)
    ["Anthony"]____{"Anthony"}___10 (non-kingname)

    Now the hero kings

    Code:
    FAMOUS_KINGS::	FN_ENGLISH	12
    //name	no.	c	d	p	a	portrait	vnv
    4,		2,	3,	7,	3,	4,	-1,			tyrant2
    0,		1,	2,	4,	4,	7,	-1,			lawman1
    7,		1,	3,	4,	3,	4,	-1,			vaccilator1
    0,		2,	3,	6,	4,	6,	-1,			anger1
    2,		1,	5,	6,	5,	2,	-1,			mightywarrior3
    3,		1,	2,	5,	2,	2,	-1,			secret_tyrant3
    0,		3,	2,	4,	4,	3,	-1,			charity1
    1,		1,	2,	3,	3,	4,	-1,			lawman1
    1,		2,	1,	2,	3,	3,	-1,			secret_lust1
    1,		3,	3,	4,	3,	3,	-1,			mightywarrior1
    0,		4,	3,	5,	3,	5,	-1,			secret_tyrant3
    0,		5,	5,	4,	4,	5,	-1,			fearsome3
    Translation, as is? : -

    William II = tyrant2 (William II, Rufus reigned 1987-1100)
    Alfred I = lawman1 (Alfred the Great reigned 871-899!)
    Harry I = vaccilator1 (who was Harry I?)
    Alfred II = anger1 (who?)
    Edmund I = mighty warrior3 (Edmund Ironside April-Nov 1016)
    Edgar I = secret_tyrant3 (Edgar the Peacible, 959-975 or Edgar the Atheling, 1066 but "king numbers", in the French style, were only adopted after the conquest)
    Alfred III = charity1 (again, who?)
    Edward I = lawman1 (Edward I, Longshanks reigned 1272-1307)
    Edward II = secret_lust1 (Edward II reigned 1307-1327)
    Edward III = mightywarrior1 (Edward III reigned 1327-1377)
    Alfred IV = secret_tyrant3 (who?)
    Alfred V = fearsome3 (who?)


    So we have a motley selection of kings from eras totally irrelevant to the MTW campaign; three kings in correct historical sequence (and character? - dunno) and it would seem that "Alfred" should swap positions with "Henry" in the list.

    Note: this is unchanged from the original state of the file. I can't possibly be the first person to have noticed this anomaly, can I?

    Am I looking at the wrong names list, for instance?

    EDIT: Forum doesn't like tab characters or padding with consecutive spaces.
    Last edited by EatYerGreens; 03-30-2007 at 13:37.

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    Default Re: Disturbing discovery(?) in the Hero_Kings

    Gah! Gah! and thrice Gah!

    The position numbers relate to the numbered name lists, further down in DEFAULT_HEROES.txt

    Code:
    // Name list, these must match an entry in names.txt
    
    // 1:	english_forenames
    ADD_FORENAMES::
    "Henry"........0
    "Edward"......1
    "Richard"......2
    "John"..........3
    "William".......4
    "Alfred"........5
    "Edmund".....6
    "Stephen"....7
    "Edward"......8
    "Edgar"
    "Henry"
    "Henry"
    "Henry"
    "Richard"
    "John"
    "Henry"
    "Harry"
    "George"
    "Howard"
    "Robert"

    This explains why, on turn on, you have
    King William II
    under-age Heir Prince William (Gah! - supposed to be Henry I, Beauclerc*)
    under age Heir Prince Alfred

    * William II's brother, actually, but I don't think you can gift a faction an extra set of RK's on turn one by adding an heir of over age 15 (but I'm about to test this!)

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