Valor One Tournament

[Tomisama]

Any intrest is MTW/VI, high era, valour one, large custom map, four player team, Clan vs. Clan competition?

[AggonyLion]

Im Sure Aggony Will be interested in this It would be hard to get 4v4s in but i think Game play with 4 team players would be much more fun


-AggonyLion

[Judge]

yeh im sure we can get 3 members easily after what ive been seeing the past few fridays in vi reunion

[Puzz3D]

How many florins per player?

[Storm_Of_Shields]

3v3, Im going to assume to many people do not show up for a 4v4?

[Tomisama]

Im Sure Aggony Will be interested in this It would be hard to get 4v4s in but i think Game play with 4 team players would be much more fun


-AggonyLion

I was being overly cautious, and can see that was unnecessary.

Much more fun is where it's at!

Have changed it to a 4v4

How many florins per player?

High Era in the KoV was fough at 8k, and I believe that this worked well.

Any suggestions?

[Puzz3D]

High Era in the KoV was fough at 8k, and I believe that this worked well.

Any suggestions?

8k would be good. I'll see if I can get a team together.

[Hunter KIng George]

You know Hunters will be there! Possibly 2 or maybe 3 teams...if allowed...

[Puzz3D]

I hope valor one means all units will be valor 1 otherwise I wouldn't be interested.

[ELITEofBLIZZARD]

will teams consisting of 2 clans be allowed? im not sure if 4 elites would be ready but this could be fun.

[Tomisama]

You know Hunters will be there! Possibly 2 or maybe 3 teams...if allowed...

Multiple Teams will be allowed, but each must be composed of a unique set of players, with no crossover members in an individual Round. Once a member plays for a specific Team in a Round, they can not play for another, “in that same Round”. Every time we start a new Round, Teams can be reconfigured.

I hope valor one means all units will be valor 1 otherwise I wouldn't be interested.

Yes, Valor One is valor 1 for “all” units

And I just realized that the spelling the game uses, is the same we should use. So changed it to “Valour”

will teams consisting of 2 clans be allowed? im not sure if 4 elites would be ready but this could be fun.

A Clan Team “must have” at least two member players, but can hire mercenaries to fill out their Team. With the provision that those mercenaries can not play for another Team (their Clan or another Clan’s), “in that same Round”.

[Puzz3D]

Yes, Valor One is valor 1 for “all” units.

Well I think that's a very good decision, and will provide good battles. Coupled with the 8k per player, heavy cavalry will be less abundant and have to be more carefully used due to its expense.

[Hunter KIng George]

Hmmmm so no more val 2 for anti cav units or val 0 for other units? Just want to make this clear since we were used to the original "KOV rules" way.

[Tomisama]

Hmmmm so no more val 2 for anti cav units or val 0 for other units? Just want to make this clear since we were used to the original "KOV rules" way.

Let's say valour 1 "max" for all units.

[AggonyDuck]

Yup, Aggony is definately interested.

The rules need to be worked out though. Especially the "Valour 1" part.
Like does it mean: "Only units with valour 1", "valour 1 max with no weapon/armour" or "valour 1 max with weapon/armour ".

As you do know, there is a huge difference between the three, with all having their shortcomings. But that said I am open to every option.

[Tomisama]

Yup, Aggony is definately interested.

Knew the question would come as soon as I wrote the above

Valour one maximum: Units can be valour 0, or valour 1, with no other upgrades applied.

[AggonyDuck]

Okay, that will result in rather interesting changes in the balance between factions. For example no armour for pavises etc.. Some factions do get the short end of the stick though, especially the muslim factions. But going to be fun to see what type of armies one can conjure up.

[Kalle]

8k army:

4 chivknights = 2700
4 other heavy knights = 2700
4 feudal knights = 1700
900 left for a couple of pavise crossbow maybe a horsearcher or normal archer or even some mounted sargants or jinettes.

If we want to reduce the number of heavy cav something more must be done in the rules. For instance a max on number of heavy cav or bonus florins for using other units then heavy cav or negative bonus in florins for using to many or something else.

It is also true that the lower in florin you go the easier it is for heavy cav (that is normally used at val 0 also at higher florins then 8k) to rout everything exept other heavy cav.

I play vi at least every friday night and I know people will bring the knightdominant armies they do allready on 10k. I dont mind facing it or playing with it but if we want more diversity more regulations must be made.

Kalle

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

Hi,

Heerbann is also interested in a tournament. Would be great to see many great clans back. Last friday there were Aggonies, ELITE, Hunters and some others back. I am sure a tournament would help to reanimate MTW VI.

[{KotR}Sir_Raison{P}]

QUALITY.....OK..I'll post in the KotR forums guys...I'm sure fox will come along and hoping that these matches will be arranged on a Friday night which seems to be the fav at the moment.If we can't manage more than 2 of us then I guess we will go on the hire for Merc's Anyone interested should send me a PM. Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink..!!

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

QUALITY.....OK..I'll post in the KotR forums guys...I'm sure fox will come along and hoping that these matches will be arranged on a Friday night which seems to be the fav at the moment.If we can't manage more than 2 of us then I guess we will go on the hire for Merc's Anyone interested should send me a PM. Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink..!!

Hey,


The King is Willing to Lend his Fellow KOTR Friends his Swiss Army Help *wink wink*

[Grey_Fox]

I'll see what I can do, but I have extremely irregular hours, and generally don't know when I'm working on a weekend until Thursday evening or as late as Friday mornings. Weekdays are an absolute no-no for me since I'm in university and thus away from my VI.

[{KotR}Sir_Raison{P}]

That's all I can ask m8 Pull a sicky lol

[{KotR}Sir_Raison{P}]

Hey,


The King is Willing to Lend his Fellow KOTR Friends his Swiss Army Help *wink wink*

Ssshhhhhhh...don't want every bugger to know....bugger everyone knows!

[Scurvy]

I'll see what I can do, but I have extremely irregular hours, and generally don't know when I'm working on a weekend until Thursday evening or as late as Friday mornings. Weekdays are an absolute no-no for me since I'm in university and thus away from my VI.

don;t try and fool us into thinking you actually do some work at uni

--> im happy to help out with any spaces, although am very out of practice and generally useless anyway

btw --> whats is the kotr forum adress?

[{KotR}Sir_Raison{P}]

Scurvs.....here's the link m8

http://com2.runboard.com/bknightsoftherealm

and this will take you to out homepage

http://www.katie6045.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Rais

[Tomisama]

In re-reading my posts I noticed a “drift” in the rule format.

1st. Yes, Valor One is valor 1 for “all” units.

2nd. Let's say valour 1 "max" for all units.

3rd. Valour one maximum: Units can be valour 0, or valour 1, with no other upgrades applied.

4th. Was going to be edging towards allowing upgrades, but didn’t go that far.

My apologies


Now, to set the record straight

After seriously considering the dilemma presented by Kalle, and experimenting a bit, I have settled on the 1st answer, valor 1 for “all” units.

In the previous Knights of Valour competition, we followed the v1 max rule (allowed v0) and countered the cavalry imbalance with the exception, a v2 max for anti–cav units.

Not that it wasn’t a reasonable solution, but it was hard to explain to folks, and was prone to error, and difficult to monitor.

So, this time around my first thought was to eliminate the v2 exception. And I believe that sticking to a straight valour 1, that raises the cost of cavalry will do the trick nicely.

That is what Yuuki was endorsing in his post:

Well I think that's a very good decision, and will provide good battles. Coupled with the 8k per player, heavy cavalry will be less abundant and have to be more carefully used due to its expense.

So, the Valour One Tourney will truly be Valour One, with no other upgrades.

[Kalle]

That will put a limit on the use of the heaviest cav, no doubt about that, will most likely be very intresting , maybe we should use the coming fridays playsession to try it out, or is the tourney due to start on this friday?

Kalle

[Puzz3D]

CBR and I played two 8k all v1 MTW/VI v2.01 battles last night. The gameplay is more sluggish than Samurai Wars, and the ranged units much weaker. CBR suggested that ranged units be taken at v0 to lower their cost, but we don't know the full repercussions of that on the gameplay or its affect on army choice. Range units get a discount on upgrades depending on their melee capability so they aren't paying the full amount for v1 anyway.

I was able to win both battles with a balanced army which included two order foot spears on medium size flat maps. The battles were close; especially the second where CBR probably would have won if he had quickly taken advantage of a gap in my line with a chiv knight or perhaps used the two chiv knights to make a delayed flanking maneuver on my weak side. It's hard to say whether or not his front line would have held long enough for such a maneuver and how long my longbows could delay his flanking cav in melee, but that's the interesting thing about the tactic that makes it risky. My three v1 longbows got between 30 and 40 kills each, and I shot at nothing but cmaa or chiv knights. They didn't get to use all their ammo, and I used them in melee. The kills were about 600 out of 1000 men fielded for each player. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me. My kills were evenly distributed across all my units except for the spears which got less than the average.

First battle:

CBR (HRE)
4 pav xbow
4 archers
4 chiv knights (gen)
4 fmaa

Yuuki (French)
4 xbow
4 cmaa
2 orderfoot
2 turcopoles
3 feudal knights
1 knight templar (gen)

Second battle:

Yuuki (English)
4 pav xbow
3 longbows
4 cmaa
2 orderfoot
2 feudal knights
1 knight templar (gen)

CBR (HRE)
2 xbow
2 pav xbow
4 fmaa
3 cmaa
2 chiv knights (gen)
3 feudal knights

[Stoicblitzer]

question: will there be a faction limit?

4byz v 4byz is not very intriguing. :-)

RTK might be interested.