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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    I think it would be incredibly presumptuous of me to assume that this man would rashly risk his wifes life. In a pickup truck they will be 3 or 4 feet apart. He fired four shots from a vehicle that probable wasn't that far away. I see no reason to assume he was putting his wife at more risk than she would have been from being abducted by a rapist. For all you know the other three shots were fired after the first one hit and were right nearby. He's a texan he probably practices a lot.
    Now who is making assumptions?

    He was in a vehicle that "probably" wasn't very far away?

    He's a Texan so he "practices a lot?"

    And when was the last time you had sex with someone from 3 or 4 feet away?

    Although I'm fairly certain I could do it, I don't know if your anatomy is the equal of mine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    Now who is making assumptions?

    He was in a vehicle that "probably" wasn't very far away?

    He's a Texan so he "practices a lot?"

    And when was the last time you had sex with someone from 3 or 4 feet away?

    Although I'm fairly certain I could do it, I don't know if your anatomy is the equal of mine...

    I doesn't say. I don't say those things are true, I'm demonstrating that you assume anything you like. Half the people in this thread have assumed he's a murderer or could care less if his wife was killed. I don't think we have any right to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    I doesn't say. I don't say those things are true, I'm demonstrating that you assume anything you like. Half the people in this thread have assumed he's a murderer or could care less if his wife was killed. I don't think we have any right to say that.
    Fair enough.

    But my point is that with an article this sketchy on the details, you have to make some assumptions to form an opinion. As long as you clearly state those assumptions, your opinion will be valid based on the set of circumstances you have assumed. You just have to be ready to change your opinion if one or more of your assumptions is shown to be incorrect.

    And for the record:

    I assume he is guilty of very poor judgement.

    I think it would have been a tragedy if his wife had been killed.

    I know it is a tragedy that an innocent man was killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    I know it is a tragedy that an innocent man was killed.
    I hate to nitpick (but I do anyway), many people keep referring to the guy as "innocent". IMO, anyone who sleeps with someone else's wife is a sleaze. Does that mean he deserves to get shot to death? No. But I don't really think it's accurate to say he's innocent of all wrongdoing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    IMO, anyone who sleeps with someone else's wife is a sleaze.
    Another trailer park humdinger, yesss!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
    Another trailer park humdinger, yesss!
    Trailer park nothing- you're a first rate ass if you sleep with another man's wife.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    He's innocent of rape, the accusation of which was used as the justification for killing him.

    So yes, in this context, he's innocent.
    As long as you're putting it in context, yes, he was innocent of rape. Previous comments only stated an unqualified "innocent man". His bad behavior/judgment definitely played a part in the sad end result of all of this. Obviously, it was the bad choices of the wife that were the most significant cause of the whole mess though.
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    I thought swords were the current weapon of choice in dealing with imaginary rapists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Trailer park nothing- you're a first rate ass if you sleep with another man's wife.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    As long as you're putting it in context, yes, he was innocent of rape. Previous comments only stated an unqualified "innocent man". His bad behavior/judgment definitely played a part in the sad end result of all of this. Obviously, it was the bad choices of the wife that were the most significant cause of the whole mess though.
    I hear where you are coming from, but that whole train of thought smacks a little too much of blaming the victim for my liking.

    The fact remains that this guy is dead and didn't deserve to die.

    I think contractors who do cash deals under the table are also sleazy, but if I found out one had been shot by an angry homeowner for shoddy workmanship, I would certainly not say he had it coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    I hate to nitpick (but I do anyway), many people keep referring to the guy as "innocent". IMO, anyone who sleeps with someone else's wife is a sleaze. Does that mean he deserves to get shot to death? No. But I don't really think it's accurate to say he's innocent of all wrongdoing.
    He's innocent of rape, the accusation of which was used as the justification for killing him.

    So yes, in this context, he's innocent.

    But I'm not quite sure what you are driving at. Are you trying to say that because he was having sex with somebody else's wife, his death is somehow less tragic?
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    In the court of law, the man is innocent until proven guilty. So the man might have been guilty, but we don't know that because he is 'innocent.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
    In the court of law, the man is innocent until proven guilty. So the man might have been guilty, but we don't know that because he is 'innocent.'
    Yes, a person is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. In self defense situations, it is obviously not practical to assume the assailant is innocent and ask for a time out so you can haul him in front of a judge and jury to prove his guilt.

    All of the arguments bemoaning the fact that the husband in this case "took the law into his own hands" or appointed himself "judge, jury, and executioner" are very tiresome. We don't know all of the facts, but the grand jury was given every fact that the prosecution could come up with to prove this man's guilt, and they still couldn't indict him. That should tell us that he had reason to believe he was acting in self defense. (Legally, defense of another is included in self defense.)

    As I explained in my earlier post, the fact that he later found out his wife was lying has no bearing on the case.
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