Man not Indicted After Killing Man His Cheating Wife Claimed was Rapist

[Goofball]

Trailer park nothing- you're a first rate ass if you sleep with another man's wife.

I agree.

As long as you're putting it in context, yes, he was innocent of rape. Previous comments only stated an unqualified "innocent man". His bad behavior/judgment definitely played a part in the sad end result of all of this. Obviously, it was the bad choices of the wife that were the most significant cause of the whole mess though.

I hear where you are coming from, but that whole train of thought smacks a little too much of blaming the victim for my liking.

The fact remains that this guy is dead and didn't deserve to die.

I think contractors who do cash deals under the table are also sleazy, but if I found out one had been shot by an angry homeowner for shoddy workmanship, I would certainly not say he had it coming.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

IMO, anyone who sleeps with someone else's wife is a sleaze.

Hey, it takes two to tango. If I was married, and found out my wife was having an affair, I'd me much more annoyed at her than the bloke she was sleeping with. He hasn't taken any vows to be faithful to me.

[ICantSpellDawg]

The fact remains that this guy is dead and didn't deserve to die.

Would he have deserved to die had he raped the woman? The law says no. Do you say yes? If so, why?

The reality is that the law prohibits death for anything but the most socially unnacceptable actions. It sounds as though some people are saying that he would deserve death for theft of dignity and physical abuse. Technically, the law disagrees.

Death is promised to everyone. Technically, everyone deserves death. When someone is playing with an un-pinned grenade, they can expect death. When you engage in a trist with someone held to be the meaning of another persons life without their knowledge, their reaction can be more dangerous than the grenade.

[ajaxfetish]

Would he have deserved to die had he raped the woman? The law says no. Do you say yes? If so, why?

Based on the article linked by Sasaki, this isn't the issue. The shooting wasn't a retributive execution to repay the supposed rape. It was a defensive act to prevent the man from supposedly forcefully taking his wife away.

Ajax

[Spetulhu]

The shooting wasn't a retributive execution to repay the supposed rape. It was a defensive act to prevent the man from supposedly forcefully taking his wife away.

And that's what the jury thought too. You are allowed to use the necessary means to defend yourself or another. If your wife says she's being raped and the assailant tries to drive off with her it's reasonable to use a gun to prevent it. Had LaSalle not tried to escape with the wife still in the pickup the husband would have no justification for shooting him.

Too bad the shot was deadly, but it wasn't the husband at fault. The wife lied and her lover panicked.

[Adrian II]

Yeah yeah. He could have aimed for the tires. Probably couldn't see through the beer can wind chimes on his porch anyway.

[KukriKhan]

Yeah yeah. He could have aimed for the tires. Probably couldn't see through the beer can wind chimes on his porch anyway.

Just curious: are there trailer parks in the Netherlands, or do you base your distain for them on how they are portrayed by Hollywood - thereby pressing your point about: "Trailer Park Justice"?

It's a catchy phrase, I admit. It invokes Duelling Banjos, beer-bellied Bubbas, packing heat, and meteing out vigilantee justice in their wife-beater t-shirts...

full disclosure: I live in a trailer park. Fuller disclosure: my 'trailer' has no wheels, nor do my neighbors', making ours a 'high-class' trailer park

[Adrian II]

Just curious: are there trailer parks in the Netherlands, or do you base your distain for them on how they are portrayed by Hollywood - thereby pressing your point about: "Trailer Park Justice"?

I've been to one in Virginia. Boy...

But I suppose there are Trailer Park customs and accessory jokes, just as there are Los Angeles customs and acessory jokes, Jewish customs and accessory jokes, etcetera. It wouldn't do if I started complaining about wooden shoe jokes, would it? To be onnest I don't give a dayum. So don't thank ahm ignert, Kukribubba. Ahve spotted them squirrel tails on yer ahntenna so y'ain't foolin me none.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I agree.



I hear where you are coming from, but that whole train of thought smacks a little too much of blaming the victim for my liking.

The fact remains that this guy is dead and didn't deserve to die.

I think contractors who do cash deals under the table are also sleazy, but if I found out one had been shot by an angry homeowner for shoddy workmanship, I would certainly not say he had it coming.

I was trying to respond to what i think was Goofballs belief about the innocence of the dead man. He was innocent of the crime that he was accused of - Rape. To say that he "did not deserve to die" is somemething else entirely. Did he not deserve to die because he did not rape the woman, or did he not deserve to die because law does not permit a rapist to be killed as a punishment for rape?
You say that the shooting was not in retribution. Why then would goofball say that the man didnt deserve to die if the shooter acted within his legal right to "self" defense? Legally, the man was in the right regardless of the reality of the situation.

this is what i was going for.

In addition, another point that I was making was that whether he was raping her or she was cheating, his life was in serious jeopardy due to the riskiness of both positions, but that is a separate issue.

some people do not believe that the husband should not have had the right to have shot a gun in the first place, thereby questioning the morality of having shot in self(other's) defence.

[Slyspy]

I was trying to respond to what i think was Goofballs belief about the innocence of the dead man which seems to be a fact. He was innocent of the crime that he was accused of. To say that he "did not deserve to die" is somemething else entirely. Did he not deserve to die because he did not rape the woman, or did he not deserve to die because law does not permit a rapist to be killed as a punishment for rape? You say that the shooting was not in retribution. Why then would goofball say that the man didnt deserve to die if the shooter acted within his legal right to "self" defense? Legally, the man was in the right regardless of the reality of the situation.

this is what i was going for.

In addition, another point that I was making was that whether he was raping her or she was cheating, his life was in serious jeopardy due to the riskiness of both positions, but that is a separate issue.

some people do not believe that the husband should not have had the right to have shot a gun in the first place, thereby questioning the morality of having shot in self(other's) defence.

Sorry, but I can barely understand this text.

[gunslinger]

Of course the man didn't deserve to die. That's why the wife is being charged with manslaughter.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Sorry, but I can barely understand this text.

I re-read it, it was poorly written.

The main point is: "did" or "did not deserve" is an emotive rather than legitimate legal statement and varies based on your personal moral code. Therefore it holds little weight here.

[Goofball]

I was trying to respond to what i think was Goofballs belief about the innocence of the dead man which seems to be a fact. He was innocent of the crime that he was accused of. To say that he "did not deserve to die" is somemething else entirely. Did he not deserve to die because he did not rape the woman, or did he not deserve to die because law does not permit a rapist to be killed as a punishment for rape? You say that the shooting was not in retribution. Why then would goofball say that the man didnt deserve to die if the shooter acted within his legal right to "self" defense? Legally, the man was in the right regardless of the reality of the situation.

this is what i was going for.

In addition, another point that I was making was that whether he was raping her or she was cheating, his life was in serious jeopardy due to the riskiness of both positions, but that is a separate issue.

some people do not believe that the husband should not have had the right to have shot a gun in the first place, thereby questioning the morality of having shot in self(other's) defence.

He didn't deserve to die because everybody has an inherent right to life. People do not have to justify their right to life in order not to be killed. It works the other way. If you kill somebody, you had better be able to prove in a court of law that you had a damn good reason to do so. I don't believe that standard was met in this case, since it never even went to court.

Do you think he did deserve to die? If so, what is your reasoning?

[ICantSpellDawg]

He didn't deserve to die because everybody has an inherent right to life. People do not have to justify their right to life in order not to be killed. It works the other way. If you kill somebody, you had better be able to prove in a court of law that you had a damn good reason to do so. I don't believe that standard was met in this case, since it never even went to court.

Do you think he did deserve to die? If so, what is your reasoning?

I do, personally.

I believe that "adulterers" may possibly be killed if they are caught by a spouse. I also believe that the killer will be charged and processed by the various legal systems of different States if they are caught breaking or having broken the law.

Whether the spouse knew of the cheating or not, he killed the man cheating on his wife. Ironic and "Just" by my standards. That position is also emotional.

[Goofball]

I do, personally.

I believe that "adulterers" may possibly be killed if they are caught by a spouse. I also believe that the killer will be charged and processed by the various legal systems of different States if they are caught breaking or having broken the law.

Whether the spouse knew of the cheating or not, he killed the man cheating on his wife. Ironic and "Just" by my standards. That position is also emotional.

I want to make absolutely sure I understand you here:

Are you saying you believe adultery should be punishable by death, and that the scorned spouse should have the right to administer that death sentence?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't think cheating is a "crime" it's just wrong. The man in this story may not have even known that the wife was married.

Tuff said it's emotional, I'm assuming a recent relationship...?

[ICantSpellDawg]

I don't think cheating is a "crime" it's just wrong. The man in this story may not have even known that the wife was married.

Tuff said it's emotional, I'm assuming a recent relationship...?

Nope. as far as i know, none of them have cheated. I'm not married anyway, as long as i find out about it before i invest more time i'l just take the hit and move on. i dont believe i'd even say a word.

[Adrian II]

Why didn't the husband just divorce her? They would still be brother and sister.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I want to make absolutely sure I understand you here:

Are you saying you believe adultery should be punishable by death, and that the scorned spouse should have the right to administer that death sentence?

I don't believe the state should administer the punishment, but if the cheating spouse or their partner is killed by the cheated on spouse, i'm not sad to hear it. What I wrote was my belief in both wrath to cause death in some cases and the legal system to punish loss of control.

I do believe that cheating should cause a major split deduction for the cheating spouse in divorce proceedings.



I am also in favor of victimized parents murdering pedophiles and the like, but i believe that the law should punish that crime as well. People have the option of pursing justice within the legal system or outside of it. one will have you stay inside the walls of society, the other outside with serious repercussions, but as a viable option