IS M2TW falling into the boring section?

[Incongruous]

Though I tend to agree with you Sapi, I still don't find the last wto games as fun as Medieval Total war. Which gave me years and years of great and exciting gaming. Perhaps the current system really reached its hieghts at M1TW? As you said hopefully the new game will give us some of that old CA innovation?

[sapi]

My point was more that everyone here brought M2TW knowing what they were getting, and that expansions exist to capitalise on that (and not in a bad way)

I don't subscribe to either the MTW > M2TW or vice versa ideals; they were both great games shaped by their times.

[Dave1984]

I think the campaign can verge on quite dull alot of the time, especially in the endgame, and this is where Glorious Achievements really came into their own in MTW and I think M2TW campaign suffers without them. It's possible to RP your faction's characters throughout to maintain the interest but again at the ned your dominance is such that you'd have to engineer something quite spectacular, such as razing half of your own cities to the ground, or somesuch, in order to give your characters that bit more life.
I think the expansion will be more of the same, of course it will, but with different campaign maps and objectives (hopefully) we should see something more immersive. I know people have complained that the British map should have been set in the dark ages but to me Medieval Britain was a fascinating place for war and intrigue and so on, so that's going to be great to play.
It would be foolish to strike out in a totally new direction, drop everything that's gone before, just to deliver something new. If they were to do that then maybe they should start a different series of games rather than annoying the hell out of the TW vets who like Medieval and Classical warfare by knocking off something flashy with lots of guns and explosions purely to satisfy gun nuts.
There is space for innovation, but I don't see the room for too much extra without going all fantastic, or arguably worse, fully RTS on us.

[Puzz3D]

Perhaps the current system really reached its hieghts at M1TW?

The battle engine definitely reached its peak in MTW/VI v2.01.

[Callahan9119]

i'm playing civ4 now, as much as i wanna keep liking TW games it just cant hold my attention anymore, no matter what the fanboys say the game is barely changed in 7 years, besides obvious graphical improvement

the ai still sucks, the diplomacy sucks etc and EVERY new version they release has SO many bugs and flaws that fans are always waiting on a patch before the game even begins to play the way it should

the only thing i kinda like anymore is the actual battles, the campaign is a boring, flawed, tedious and uninspired affair

i just finished a campaign of rome a little bit ago and it was just mind numbing towards the end, vannilla medival2 is just slightly more entertaining...but only of you use probfixers

mods here always seem way to quick to jump to CA's defense

[TinCow]

We don't jump to CA's defense, we enforce the Org's policy of not allowing CA Bashing. If you say something constructive about the problems with the TW games or CA, that is acceptable. However, simply insulting the game and/or CA without meaningful discussion is not allowed. You can always post your CA Bashing at the .com if you simply cannot live without it. If you have a problem with the Org's policies you can take it up in the Watchtower.

[Jambo]

I don't see much mindless CA bashing in this thread to be honest...

Anyway, like Puzz3D said, there's not really been much progress on the battle AI or battle engine side of things since MTw. If anything there's been a regression and that's particularly sad given we're now quite a few years forward in time from when MTw was released.

I have a strong sense of deja-vu with M2Tw in relation to Rome. Many of the good fixes, etc, they incorporated into BI and the latter Rome patches are inexplicably absent from the initial release of M2...! Like Rome, we've had the initial euphoric post-release period, but as that wow-factor diminishes and the glut of major bugs and problems are systematically uncovered, the immersion is lost and the game ceases to entice me to play. In fact I haven't played M2Tw since Xmas....

Sure, there's a lot to admire about M2Tw but I actually found I got more enjoyment out of trying to mod/fix the game myself than I have from actually playing it. When I do play I tend to play through all battles and the attacking siege AI is enough to reduce a grown man to tears...

[repman]

MTW II is a shallow medieval hull on a Rome engine and has no roleplay elements as

- dynasties, faction heir choose
- heraldic system
- career systems
- dynamic events
- greater importance of ressources on techtree
- different achievements than conquering some provinces
- broken campaign AI
- annyoing battle AI
- ....

so it's just boring crashing your enemies ....

If you want them you need to play mods as AD or DLV.
Maybe the Addon has some more, but i can see new units and factions and nothing else....

repman