Rtw > Mtwii?

**rvg** · 04-02-2007, 18:43

At the moment, RTW is a better game imho. M2 feels like a bug-ridden expansion for the RTW, that lacks alot of cool features of the original (I for example, loved the ability to get a battlemap view of my cities in RTW).

However, RTW has been around much longer and the dev team had much more time to polish it and iron out the bugs. RTW 6 months after its release was in the same sorry state that M2 is in right now. Anyhow, my point is that given time M2 will become the better game in the series. Given time.

P.S. I have very high hopes for the 1.2 patch... *crosses fingers*

**Slaists** · 04-02-2007, 18:45

hehe, yeah, you should tread softly...

1. Strongly disagree iwth you: I like the new graphics much better than RTW. It is much more realistic not to be able to recognize your own troops on the battlefield. For framerate: decrease your graphics quality, but first: try turning off shadows, especially on units.

2. Strongly disagree with you: I like the fact that everyting is slower. Rome was way too fast for my taste. And yes - I started playing totalwar with Shogun and MTW. Everything was much slower then than in MTW even... And... it made tactics matter more.

3. Strongly disagree with you: IMHO, there is STILL too much money to go around in MTW. The better mods increase the cost of units and their upkeep to deal with that.

4. hmmmm.... My biggest hope is that patch 1.2 makes the game harder...

**alpaca** · 04-02-2007, 19:15

I think this is pretty much a question of taste and personal ability. If it's hard (maybe even a bit too hard on the higher difficulty settings) for casual gamers, and somewhat too easy for hardcore gamers, I guess CA didn't do an extremely bad job in balancing it (although hardcore gamers tend to find exploits that make it even more easy for them, like abusing the passive AI or luring the Mongols into siege battles, tsk...)
Anyways, I like the slower game pace. It's better than the arcade hackfest RTW was for me - although there are some really annoying bugs like the shield bug, with which cav slices through spear units like a hot knife through butter. Well let's hope 1.2 will make that a bit better.

To conclude: For me M2TW is a bit better than RTW, there are a few small improvements like towers that have to be controlled to fire, somewhat better pathfinding on walls and the King's Purse that make a better overall impression for me.
I can't enjoy the better graphics much by the way, because my comp is an old hag

**pike master** · 04-02-2007, 19:22

as far as units showing out from the surrounding terrain and architecture and vegetation there is a real problem. compare to rome you can keep your eye on the action better because the animations are more cartoonish and stand out.

the other stuff is not so bad though.

but unless you have unit detail set on highest the elephants will not surpass the graphic clarity of unit detail on medium for rome elephants. im not sure why that is. and also with distance even though i have my unit detail on highest with high texture after a certian distance you can not see the pikes. in rome at distance the pikes took a characteristic of a thick hedge of poles at distance like a forest.

horses also dont seem to look as realistic for some reason that i dont understand.

so there is something about unit detail that i do not like. with unit detail on highest horses and elephants should look totally real for a game with requirments this one has. individual soldier models and animations on the whole are better though.

it disgust me entirely that you cannot see the pike forest at a distance like it showed in rome.

i dont know if anyone else noticed that or not. it may be some kind of bug.you know instead of the pikes being invisible they are supposed to switch to a pike forest and they are not.

**Quickening** · 04-02-2007, 19:27

Originally Posted by mad cat mech

as far as units showing out from the surrounding terrain and architecture and vegetation there is a real problem. compare to rome you can keep your eye on the action better because the animations are more cartoonish and stand out.

the other stuff is not so bad though.

but unless you have unit detail set on highest the elephants will not surpass the graphic clarity of unit detail on medium for rome elephants. im not sure why that is. and also with distance even though i have my unit detail on highest with high texture after a certian distance you can not see the pikes. in rome at distance the pikes took a characteristic of a thick hedge of poles at distance like a forest.

horses also dont seem to look as realistic for some reason that i dont understand.

so there is something about unit detail that i do not like. with unit detail on highest horses and elephants should look totally real for a game with requirments this one has. individual soldier models and animations on the whole are better though.

it disgust me entirely that you cannot see the pike forest at a distance like it showed in rome.

i dont know if anyone else noticed that or not. it may be some kind of bug.you know instead of the pikes being invisible they are supposed to switch to a pike forest and they are not.

I think we're playing different games. My experience playing M2TW is the exact opposite of everything written above with the exception of the pikes which I hadn't paid any notice to. I'll remember to check that next time.

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 04-02-2007, 19:46

I enjoy vanilla MTW2 better than vanilla RTW, and certainly has the potential to be better than RTW:BI 1.6. Depending on how much CA helps out the modding community, which they talk a lot about, MTW2 could be significantly better.

**Tyrac** · 04-02-2007, 20:56

This thread has come up with every single new Total War game. Actually it has come up maybe 3 or 4 times already on this forum alone (more? I really just get into thi9s forum every few months), and that is not including the 5 other main forums talking about it.

It has been done. Just by posting this you are declared "too new to talk about it."

Just wait and watch.

When the next one comes out there will be a NEW fool crying that after they have "got way way into both games" the new one falls short. They will say that MTW2 IS far and away better then the current dissapointing crap CA has sold us.

Today that fool is you. Sorry. If you stay inerested in the game maybe one day you will read this website and have the opportunity to explain to a future fool what a fool they are.

**pike master** · 04-03-2007, 01:40

fools are the ones who dont ask questions.

a person who ask advice and questions is no fool.

**TinCow** · 04-03-2007, 03:48

Originally Posted by Tyrac

Today that fool is you. Sorry. If you stay inerested in the game maybe one day you will read this website and have the opportunity to explain to a future fool what a fool they are.

Please do not call people fools, unless they are actual court jesters.

Doing so is a personal attack and against Org rules.