Patch 1.2 Release/Delay Discussion

**Stig** · 04-05-2007, 14:16

Ah well, better a belated working patch, then a buggy patch.

Anyway, if everyone on dotcommie does as they say we will loads of the whiny crowd, which is a good thing

**Gaius Terentius Varro** · 04-05-2007, 15:12

Using the "new" patch i can confirm that the the 2 handed bug still exists and the vanguarian guasrd still get owned by border horse... And add to that the chatty commentator telling you you are doing...

**Quickening** · 04-05-2007, 15:27

Absolutely laughable to be honest.

**NagatsukaShumi** · 04-05-2007, 15:29

I am glad to hear the releases from CA, they are once again confirming that they are alot frednlier than ALOT of games companies out there and that they do care about their community, it always confuses me to see people going out and complaining CA don't get involved enough, fact is in the world of gaming they are one of the friendlier and more involving companies there is, most simply do not bother giving reasons and would just release the buggy patch, CA have come out and admitted their error and I think when people sit down calmly, they'll see this is the sensible option.

Kudos CA.

**TB666** · 04-05-2007, 15:33

Originally Posted by Gaius Terentius Varro

Using the "new" patch i can confirm that the the 2 handed bug still exists and the vanguarian guasrd still get owned by border horse... And add to that the chatty commentator telling you you are doing...

Strange.
Other people with the patch are reporting the exact opposite.

**Carl** · 04-05-2007, 15:44

Bear in mind that Cav charge resitance is down to defence mostly and 2-handers are low defence, that measn that Cav are a COUNTER for 2-Handers and even with working animations Border Horse will still own Vargarian Guard. it the Border Horse's JOB to do that.

**Gaius Terentius Varro** · 04-05-2007, 15:50

Ehm well i let them (axemen) charge the while the horses stood still and waited, the axemen killed none after the initial charge just like before the patch. Then of course the campaign is unplayable unless you autoresolve castle seiges. On the good news front dismounted mailed knights own the JHI now so i guess the shields are fixed. I also started a portugese campaign and just allowed all my family mambers stay in their own lands. After turn 20 all had pagan magician. Yawn. This is a bit like waiting for the patch to end all patches for RTW

**Burns** · 04-05-2007, 16:42

Its 11:40 am right now. Any more info when the mirrors are supposed to go up?

**Gaius Terentius Varro** · 04-05-2007, 16:45

there is no patch mate

**icek** · 04-05-2007, 17:01

it appears that sega didnt even start testing that new build from ca, forgot about it untill phone from ca today morning lol... and they dare to oficially announce the expansion...

**Whacker** · 04-05-2007, 17:06

Meh, I think they should have just released the patch. Given the horrid status of the game when they released it, a patch with a few issues as described would be a relative step forward.

Oh well.... Would say I'm disappointed, but at this stage of the game it's becoming the norm in my view. /shrug

**Gaius Terentius Varro** · 04-05-2007, 17:19

Yupp it was the same with RTW, every patch brought new issues and after all the hype i am left with a very flawed strategy game with great graphics

**Quickening** · 04-05-2007, 17:29

What amazes me is the number of people still making excuses for CA. I said "ah well better a working patch than a buggy one" the first ten million times. Now it really is beyond a joke and is utterly disgraceful.

Hmm lets see the excuses.

Why announce an expansion pack when the original is still unfixed?

"Different teams".

Why did you officially announce the patch release date and then not release it?

"Eleventh hour problem."

And of course there are the "cool" ones out there saying "ah well it's not the end of the world is it? It's only a patch!" That isn't the ******* point. The point is that we paid for a game that four months later is still unfixed and have been taking it up the arse all through that time with all manner of delays and excuses.
I bet that if CA came out and said, "Sorry, the patch is cancelled", there would be people saying "oh well better no patch than one that ruins the game".

Ive been following the topic on the .com with "Alex" from SEGA and although he admits they messed up badly, I have to agree with the majority there; it just isn't acceptable.

**zstajerski** · 04-05-2007, 17:33

Originally Posted by Quickening

What amazes me is the number of people still making excuses for CA. I said "ah well better a working patch than a buggy one" the first ten million times. Now it really is beyond a joke and is utterly disgraceful.

Hmm lets see the excuses.

Why announce an expansion pack when the original is still unfixed?

"Different teams".

Why did you officially announce the patch release date and then not release it?

"Eleventh hour problem."

And of course there are the "cool" ones out there saying "ah well it's not the end of the world is it? It's only a patch!" That isn't the ******* point. The point is that we paid for a game that four months later is still unfixed and have been taking it up the arse all through that time with all manner of delays and excuses.
I bet that if CA came out and said, "Sorry, the patch is cancelled", there would be people saying "oh well better no patch than one that ruins the game".

Ive been following the topic on the .com with "Alex" from SEGA and although he admits they messed up badly, I have to agree with the majority there; it just isn't acceptable.

hear, hear, agree with you m8

**Odin** · 04-05-2007, 17:35

Originally Posted by Quickening

What amazes me is the number of people still making excuses for CA. I said "ah well better a working patch than a buggy one" the first ten million times. Now it really is beyond a joke and is utterly disgraceful.

Hmm lets see the excuses.

Why announce an expansion pack when the original is still unfixed?

"Different teams".

Why did you officially announce the patch release date and then not release it?

"Eleventh hour problem."

And of course there are the "cool" ones out there saying "ah well it's not the end of the world is it? It's only a patch!" That isn't the ******* point. The point is that we paid for a game that four months later is still unfixed and have been taking it up the arse all through that time with all manner of delays and excuses.
I bet that if CA came out and said, "Sorry, the patch is cancelled", there would be people saying "oh well better no patch than one that ruins the game".

Ive been following the topic on the .com with "Alex" from SEGA and although he admits they messed up badly, I have to agree with the majority there; it just isn't acceptable.

i've been following that thread too, and the best advice I have for all those who are unhappy is to reward CA/Sega with no more business. Simply put, dont buy thier products until fixed.

No more 4 month wait that way. I'm not an appologist for them, believe me but my expectations of gaming companies are sufficently low enough to have been prepared for this outcome.

**Gaius Terentius Varro** · 04-05-2007, 17:37

As far as i am concerned I still can't play RTW without bugfixer cos of all the leftover bugs so I don't see this issue going away in any near future

**TinCow** · 04-05-2007, 17:40

I realize that many of you are disappointed with the delay of the patch. However, please try and keep this thread constructive.

**Garnier** · 04-05-2007, 17:45

A bit of news:

Righty ho,

Here goes. The glaring bug issues you have found. I am talking to Mumbles at the moment and he doesn't get it. The CTD you are reporting is not on his version of the patch. We are concerned that corruption has taken place, during upload at some stage, either to and fro from our offices, during the mirror upload, we are not sure,another issue we need to look at, granted a patch should not have these issues but it appears there is more to the problem, we think there may be missing files, we'll keep you posted, we need to talk to the QA teams about this before we have an answer.

right other things, coming thick and fast....B5Draal, brilliant, lol moment there and I am going to send it to CAOZ so they can prepapre a decent defense....

yes, multiplayer. This is beyond my technical knowledge but as I said any quesitons like these the Dev teams are going to read this thread, Mumbles has already sent it to them so we can work it out. Hopefully I can get an answer for you on that. I am writing a report on all that has gone on today, highlighting the issues, questions and answers you have all provided. This will be going to the very highest point in our company, your voices will be heard and listened to I can assure you. Hopefully next week I will be able to give you more concrete answers to your more technical questions.

and as I posted there:
I expected something of that sort, cause the patch people are downloading is 614mb instead of 629mb which is what was announced. Hopefully this is the case, as I thought it strange myself that a CTD bug like that would be missed.

**rvg** · 04-05-2007, 17:45

Constructive as in "Yay, still no patch!"?
CA's performance has been a disappointment. Instead of rushing out an expansion they should have concentrated on making the vanilla game playable.
But yes, as the previous poster mentioned, I'm certainly not buying the M2 expansion, partly because it doesn't interest me, and partly because CA no longer deserves to have my money.

**TinCow** · 04-05-2007, 17:50

Being upset and disappointed is perfectly understandable. However, ranting does no one any good and just makes the situation worse.

**Odin** · 04-05-2007, 17:51

Originally Posted by rvg

But yes, as the previous poster mentioned, I'm certainly not buying the M2 expansion, partly because it doesn't interest me, and partly because CA no longer deserves to have my money.

You my friend have just excersied the ultimate power in the entire equation, none of this dissapointment would be had if consumers didnt purchase the product as is.

I didnt buy MTW2 until 1.1 was out and bugfixer mods corrected the game breaking issues. I strongly urge all the fans who are angry to be patient, curtous and gracious to CA and sega, but to take a deep breath and give a second look to what they are buying before they open thier wallet.

The patch issues with 1.2 is a positive, they took back a patch that had a reported CTD, thats a good thing.

**Monarch** · 04-05-2007, 18:37

http://clancommunityshield.net/threa...6477#post16477

Some early testing of the unofficial patch by the mp community.

Edit: Ok I just have to lol at this post I just read:

I am glad to hear the releases from CA, they are once again confirming that they are alot frednlier than ALOT of games companies out there and that they do care about their community, it always confuses me to see people going out and complaining CA don't get involved enough, fact is in the world of gaming they are one of the friendlier and more involving companies there is,.

Lets compare them to who I see to be the best up and coming games studio: Relic. Creators of Company of Heroes and Dawn of War. They have done the following:

Have a community manager who posts at various forums, even random fan ones.
She also held a Relic open house which invited leading community members to Relic to have a tour, presentations, etc.
She has an official blog AND audio podcasts, some of which include interviews with the devs. http://www.relicrank.com/bloggo/2007...posing-fronts/
The Relic devs appear on fan run radio show Tales of Heroes ( http://tales.tsncentral.com ) and get quizzed on balance and are asked all kindsa questions.
Relic released an open beta of CoH prior to release to get fan input.
Relic isn't scared to get out there and ask for fans help in solving bugs, instead of just sitting there with a poor balance team and delaying patch after patch.

Fact is the whole community knows the name of Relic's community manager, I'm not sure CA even has one.

**Whacker** · 04-05-2007, 18:54

Originally Posted by TinCow

Being upset and disappointed is perfectly understandable. However, ranting does no one any good and just makes the situation worse.

Please don't get me wrong here, I mean absolutely no disrespect, but that's not a good idea at all right now.

There are times that sometimes it boils down to harsh, but politely and firmly stated criticism that's supported with statements/evidence. I do not lump that into 'CA bashing', to me CA bashing is something like "ca sux lol." There's a lot of frustration right now with CA and the current state of the game, bottom line to me is CA needs to see and read this stuff. This would be akin to getting your dinner served cold and just eating it instead of saying/doing something about it.

Respectfully

**TeutonicKnight** · 04-05-2007, 18:55

Originally Posted by Quickening

What amazes me is the number of people still making excuses for CA. I said "ah well better a working patch than a buggy one" the first ten million times. Now it really is beyond a joke and is utterly disgraceful.

Hmm lets see the excuses.

Why announce an expansion pack when the original is still unfixed?

"Different teams".

Why did you officially announce the patch release date and then not release it?

"Eleventh hour problem."

And of course there are the "cool" ones out there saying "ah well it's not the end of the world is it? It's only a patch!" That isn't the ******* point. The point is that we paid for a game that four months later is still unfixed and have been taking it up the arse all through that time with all manner of delays and excuses.
I bet that if CA came out and said, "Sorry, the patch is cancelled", there would be people saying "oh well better no patch than one that ruins the game".

Ive been following the topic on the .com with "Alex" from SEGA and although he admits they messed up badly, I have to agree with the majority there; it just isn't acceptable.

Guess you'd have been better served waiting then. Why'd you rush out and buy the game knowing the history of the series? I waited for 1.1 and the bugfixers, knowing there is always issues with games. Oh, and I got my copy for twenty bucks off the original price too.

Or are you really saying you honestly expected a perfect product out of the box? You cannot have that expectation if you've ever bought software before.

Seriously, if you are going to get that bent out of shape about a product shipping "unfixed", don't buy it until you know it's been "fixed". To do otherwise is simply ridiculous.

I am not defending CA. I am simply pointing out that this is the way all games are released. Maybe they should be released in a "perfect" condition, but that's a question for the industry, not CA. Would you have been happier waiting until the box came with 1.2 built in? Then you could afford to wait six more months to have bought it in the first place.

The only reason you are "taking it up the arse" on this is because you went out and bought the game and expected perfection despite all the evidence and history to the contrary.

I guess I'm "cool". I like the game. I like the bugfixer and 1.1 combo, and I won't even install 1.2 untill I read what other people's experiences are with it.

I also seem to get out more than some others do.

**rosscoliosis** · 04-05-2007, 18:57

Well, what with the amount they're replying to and apparently looking into the issues people are posting about the new patch, I almost wonder if the patch being leaked wasn't so "accidental" and was really a ploy to get some more outside beta-testers, haha.

I guess what's so disheartening about all these bugs and delayed patches is that the the Total War games are still far and away the best games of their type. For awhile it looked like the Warhammer RTS was going to be set up like a Total War game, but sadly it ended up playing much more like Battle for Middle Earth 2 or even Warcraft 3.
So! M2TW has had, and still has, the potential to be a truly amazing game, it's just the multitude of bugs that end up really taking away from the enjoyment of it, and the agonizingly slow patch release schedule, that are killing it, (and us, the rabid TW addicts, haha).

**Quickening** · 04-05-2007, 19:10