Patch 1.2 Release/Delay Discussion

[Quickening]

This torrent will take forever. Is there any other links?

[sapi]

I'd like to reiterate and back up TinCow - you can express your dislike of the patch all you like, but you may not flame CA or other members.

Discussing warez is also a big no-no.

I just can't resist correcting this one despite the risk of running foul of a mod... Limewire as a P2P application is not in any way more illegal than any other P2P application is; neither is the Gnutella protocol it makes use of illegal in itself. Bittorrent is simply another P2P protocol (and the name of the original application that implements the protocol), and if you wanted to brand an application/protocol "mostly illegal" based on the fact that unfortunately ALL P2P apps/protocols are factually used for copyright infringement 99% of the time, then Bittorrent certainly qualifies as well, and if you look at the current stats, more so than most others.

Of course you're right, and I wouldn't think of saying otherwise; however I was comparing limewire used to dl music with bittorent used to download a legitimate patch; quite different situations.

[King Bob VI]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular here but just at those who keeping doing this both here and at TWC:

If I see one more post along the lines of "I'm done with CA and TW and I'm uninstalling M2 and throwing it away and boo-hoo life sucks" I'm gonna shoot somebody.If you are truly that upset over a delayed patch, then go play WoW or something and leave all the people here who are actually enjoying this great game alone.

Take your drama somewhere else.

[Forward Observer]

I appologize if this has already been stated and take it for what it is worth-- since I am only loosely quoting the official Q and A from the Sega website, but they are recommending that you don't use the leaked patch that is going around because it is un-official and may do more harm than good.

Speaking of ranting about games and game theft, you might find this post interesting:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=81953

I wonder just how many people that come here complaining about M2TW would be eating crow if Sega published the game using the same copy protection trick as Ubisoft did with SH4.


Personally, I have fun with the game and I'm sure I will have even more fun after the patch and still more with the expansion, but it is still just a game and that is all it ever will be to me. To me there are just a ton of more important things in life to get upset about.

Cheers

[Quickening]

I hate WoW. I'll play M2TW v1.1 instead.

[Whacker]

Ha! That's what Im doing to! I still enjoy RTW as much as ever. Just takes a little while to get use to the "poor" graphics.

Actually mate, based on someone else's suggestion, I simply copied over a lot of the graphics files from M2TW to RTW, right now I'm playing RTW with the M2TW campaign map visual candy. Search around here for some information on how to do it, it adds refreshing "newness" to our now almost 3-year old game.

[pike master]

what is wharez?

[Quickening]

Actually mate, based on someone else's suggestion, I simply copied over a lot of the graphics files from M2TW to RTW, right now I'm playing RTW with the M2TW campaign map visual candy. Search around here for some information on how to do it, it adds refreshing "newness" to our now almost 3-year old game.

Wow thanks! I will do that.

[phred]

what is wharez?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez

[Durallan]

programmers have to have lives too you know ;) it is stupid that M2TW was released in the state it was but it was the chrissie rush and SEGA wanted it out to get the extra sales that would generate. Truth be told M2TW probably should have only been released about July this year but then they wouldn't have gotten as many sales, remember for publishing companies, getting maximum profit for the shareholders is the most important thing these days, bugger quality control and anything else that gets in the way of a few extra cents on the share price. CA remember has 2 different teams and so while they probably shouldn't have one team working on the expansion while vanilla is bugged, remember that CA doesn't get to dictate when they should work on a game or when they should start on the expansion, and normally if there is going to be an expansion they start work on it straight after the game is released. You only need to look at a game like X3 Reunion, which was released way too early and which I was one of the people whom preordered it to get the cool book that came with it ;)

unfortunately X3 really shouldn't have been released for at least another 6 months. But Egosoft really didn't get a choice like CA as to when they should release it. The outcry that came out of X3 is similar to the outcry here, but at least CA and Egosoft both worked on patches. Egosoft got X3 finally to a splendid state and it is now a fantastic game, hopefully CA can follow in their footsteps and make M2TW as bug free and funtastic game to play as well. Everyone has a right to rant about paying 90AUD or 50 US bucks or 30 quid or whatever your currency is but in the end it doesn't really help anything, at least on these forums, plus it only upsets the developers who ahve worked hard on this game, and the developers aren't the evil minded demons that some of the Managers and CEO's are :P.

It would be cool if CA adopted a Devnet similar to what Egosoft has because those that do want to participate in the development process can, and then one day may even end up being employed by egosoft. Anyway don't stress about the patch, we all had plans, including CA on what they wanted to do this easter. Instead of having fun for 4 days they will be running around trying to figure out whats wrong and see if they can sort it out while we all eat easter eggs, go on holidays or whatever fun things you have planned!

take care everyone and have some fun.

[Memnoch]

Personally, I'm not too concerned. I'd rather they release a working patch than one which is flawed, so I'm willing to wait. It's not the end of the world. :)

[Whacker]

You only need to look at a game like X3 Reunion, which was released way too early and which I was one of the people whom preordered it to get the cool book that came with it ;)

X3's problem wasn't it's release, it's that it was crippled with that horrible, hardware-destroying "protection" abomination known as Starforce. Even though they finally bowed to demand and removed it still doesn't leave me completely convinced to get/try this game... and I've been fiending after a really good space/flight sim lately.

Everyone has a right to rant about paying 90AUD or 50 US bucks or 30 quid or whatever your currency is but in the end it doesn't really help anything, at least on these forums, plus it only upsets the developers who ahve worked hard on this game, and the developers aren't the evil minded demons that some of the Managers and CEO's are :P.

Meh, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that most people's frustrations aren't aimed at the devs. I think most rational folks understand that the Devs are generally honest, hardworking guys who genuinely love to make games. The problem is that they take orders from the execs and project leads, who are in turn swayed/shoved around by the often sorely-misguided marketing types.

For me, it's not really about trying to blame anyone, it's that I've got a product that I've paid for, and am sorely dissatisifed with it and the hoopla that's surrounded it since even before it's release.

It would be cool if CA adopted a Devnet similar to what Egosoft has because those that do want to participate in the development process can, and then one day may even end up being employed by egosoft. Anyway don't stress about the patch, we all had plans, including CA on what they wanted to do this easter. Instead of having fun for 4 days they will be running around trying to figure out whats wrong and see if they can sort it out while we all eat easter eggs, go on holidays or whatever fun things you have planned!

Mate, I couldn't agree with you more if I tried. Been saying this from the beginning, I think CA is making a very bad decision with the route they've chosen, in terms of 'modding' for this game, or more precisely the lack thereof. Openning up the game itself, and providing an official SDK much like ID Software and Valve have done would go miles for both garnering a much bigger customer/fan base, regaining the faith of many who've been burnt by false/broken promises so far, and fostering a huge and dedicated multiplayer community. Not only do I firmly believe it would accomplish the above, but like you stated it would provide a real honest-to-god means for some of the more technically minded fans to provide some real input and contribute to the game. I sincerely hope that they seriously consider this as a viable option down the road.

take care everyone and have some fun.

Right back at you.

[Foz]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular here but just at those who keeping doing this both here and at TWC:

If I see one more post along the lines of "I'm done with CA and TW and I'm uninstalling M2 and throwing it away and boo-hoo life sucks" I'm gonna shoot somebody.If you are truly that upset over a delayed patch, then go play WoW or something and leave all the people here who are actually enjoying this great game alone.

Take your drama somewhere else.

Have you read this thread? I think I did a pretty good job earlier explaining exactly why so many people are expressing anger, frustration, and many other bad feelings right now. If you think it's just because of a patch being pushed off for a bit, you're way off base. It's more of a "straw that breaks the camel's back" thing. Everyone has a limit to what they can take. I'm pretty patient so we haven't hit mine yet, but I don't blame the people who have reached that point and are doing something about it.

Also, have you considered that the thing you are whining about is really the best thing those people can do in a situation like this? Taking your business somewhere else and swearing never to buy a CA/TW/SEGA product again may make an effect that's noticeable to CA/SEGA sometime in the future... but doing so and being vocal about it now makes an immediate and much more noticeable impact on the suits. They don't have to wait to see the sales on their next release: the community is keeping them informed as things are happening. This is actually and odd sort of courtesy on the part of the players, if you really think about it: they're keeping CA/SEGA abreast of things, which means they aren't going to have a sudden shock if their next release flops, and also that they know exactly what went wrong if it does. If no one made much of a fuss, the next release could simply smash into a brick wall, sell far under quotas, and before you know it CA would go under. At least with the community being vocal they have a chance to do damage control and plan for any nasty eventualities.

As for the various posts like King Bob's here that say things like shut up, nothing is wrong, be happy... Well, they upset me. The fact that anyone can actually suggest people shouldn't be upset right now is a bit incomprehensible to me. Granted some people are going quite too far with their comments, but likewise many many people are guilty of not going far enough. That sort of complacence is exactly the reason the PC gaming industry is such a mess to begin with! Every person that just buys games, plays through the horrible bugs, deals with the crap that devs/publishers dump on them... every person that does that is part of the PROBLEM. If you never tell the devs/publishers that the situation is unacceptable, and you keep right on buying bug-ridden games, then you are keeping the system that generates them in place with your behavior. I respect the people who are throwing the game out far more than the ones who can't even see the problem - At least the former are doing something, and moving toward becoming part of the solution at the same time. The latter, I'm afraid, are the hopeless slaves of the gaming industry already.

I'm not sure that throwing the game out and committing to not buying TW games ever again is the right answer... but I am sure that sitting here acting like everything is great and telling people to stop voicing their opinions is the wrong one.

[CamelGunner]

Have you read this thread? I think I did a pretty good job earlier explaining exactly why so many people are expressing anger, frustration, and many other bad feelings right now. If you think it's just because of a patch being pushed off for a bit, you're way off base. It's more of a "straw that breaks the camel's back" thing. Everyone has a limit to what they can take. I'm pretty patient so we haven't hit mine yet, but I don't blame the people who have reached that point and are doing something about it.

Also, have you considered that the thing you are whining about is really the best thing those people can do in a situation like this? Taking your business somewhere else and swearing never to buy a CA/TW/SEGA product again may make an effect that's noticeable to CA/SEGA sometime in the future... but doing so and being vocal about it now makes an immediate and much more noticeable impact on the suits. They don't have to wait to see the sales on their next release: the community is keeping them informed as things are happening. This is actually and odd sort of courtesy on the part of the players, if you really think about it: they're keeping CA/SEGA abreast of things, which means they aren't going to have a sudden shock if their next release flops, and also that they know exactly what went wrong if it does. If no one made much of a fuss, the next release could simply smash into a brick wall, sell far under quotas, and before you know it CA would go under. At least with the community being vocal they have a chance to do damage control and plan for any nasty eventualities.

As for the various posts like King Bob's here that say things like shut up, nothing is wrong, be happy... Well, they upset me. The fact that anyone can actually suggest people shouldn't be upset right now is a bit incomprehensible to me. Granted some people are going quite too far with their comments, but likewise many many people are guilty of not going far enough. That sort of complacence is exactly the reason the PC gaming industry is such a mess to begin with! Every person that just buys games, plays through the horrible bugs, deals with the crap that devs/publishers dump on them... every person that does that is part of the PROBLEM. If you never tell the devs/publishers that the situation is unacceptable, and you keep right on buying bug-ridden games, then you are keeping the system that generates them in place with your behavior. I respect the people who are throwing the game out far more than the ones who can't even see the problem - At least the former are doing something, and moving toward becoming part of the solution at the same time. The latter, I'm afraid, are the hopeless slaves of the gaming industry already.

I'm not sure that throwing the game out and committing to not buying TW games ever again is the right answer... but I am sure that sitting here acting like everything is great and telling people to stop voicing their opinions is the wrong one.

Agreed with everything you said. Good that people voice their opinions, but it should be constructive, pointing out flaws with the game, that the developers can work on. The cry-babyness should stop.

I've played every total war except shogun, and the little bugs here and there haven't stopped me from total domination, and won't stop me from buying every total war game they make from now on. Sorry if I'm a hopeless slave of the gaming industry, but hey, it's 50 bucks. One night staying home from the bars.

[Martok]

I dislike derailing the topic even momentarily, but apparently some people need to be reminded of one the rules here: Members are expected to discuss things in a civil manner, and this includes no swearing. I just deleted a couple posts in their entirety because of inappropriate language, since they were also not contributing to the discussion in any meaningful way.

So ixnay on the cussing. Consider yourselves warned.


But back to topic.... I think Foz has a point. Simply making statements like "Stop whining about the patch and go playing something else" is horribly oversimplistic. It's not going to solve anything or stop the complaining, no matter how much anyone might wish it did. Some people don't play many PC games outside of Total War, and/or they prefer only strategy games, and/or they're simply in the mood for Medieval 2 and don't want to play anything else, etc.

For those of you who are still able to play and enjoy Medieval 2 in its current state, I think that's awesome. I'm geniunely very happy for you guys -- you're clearly the type who can enjoy something despite some quite noticable flaws, and that's really an ability to be envied. Many people simply don't have this ability, however, and you should keep that in mind before criticizing people who are criticizing the game. They have a right -- and in my opinion, a duty -- to do so, if they find fault with it.

(Besides which, it begs the question: If you're still enjoying the game so much, why are you wasting time posting in a thread where the majority of people are complaining about it? )

[Durallan]

As for the various posts like King Bob's here that say things like shut up, nothing is wrong, be happy... Well, they upset me. The fact that anyone can actually suggest people shouldn't be upset right now is a bit incomprehensible to me. Granted some people are going quite too far with their comments, but likewise many many people are guilty of not going far enough. That sort of complacence is exactly the reason the PC gaming industry is such a mess to begin with! Every person that just buys games, plays through the horrible bugs, deals with the crap that devs/publishers dump on them... every person that does that is part of the PROBLEM. If you never tell the devs/publishers that the situation is unacceptable, and you keep right on buying bug-ridden games, then you are keeping the system that generates them in place with your behavior. I respect the people who are throwing the game out far more than the ones who can't even see the problem - At least the former are doing something, and moving toward becoming part of the solution at the same time. The latter, I'm afraid, are the hopeless slaves of the gaming industry already.

I'm not sure that throwing the game out and committing to not buying TW games ever again is the right answer... but I am sure that sitting here acting like everything is great and telling people to stop voicing their opinions is the wrong one.

Hopeless slave of the gaming industry? lol I don't think so. I'm not going to throw a game into the bin that I paid money for because it buggy and it still has a chance to be a great game. I buy games when I think it will be good, I liked the series or it has had me playing up very late. Medieval 2, despite its bugs (noticable on first play or not) did keep me up late. while voting with your wallet its a very noble idea, but its as unlikely to change the situation as not buying petrol anymore to stop oil companies overcharging and price rorting. unfortunately there just aren't enough people here to impact on the sale of the game and I'd say that at most the people on these sites contribute to about 25% of sales, unfortunately maybe 5% are that annoyed that they will vote with their wallet if that will make an impact at all, the problem is too endemic and widespread and most gamers are casual and well just want entertainment. (Disclaimer: no I don't have definite figures but most gamers are not that concerned to log onto forums and talk about their concerns like the great people here, just a fact I guess.)

I don't play too many games anymore as life is getting more and more in the way and soon I'm going to have to give up this college life and go into the real world!

I'd like to thank Whacker for his nice comments, but...

X3's problem was its release. If you look at how badly optimized the game was, random crashes etc in 1.0, that wasn't because of starforce I bet you something substantial lol, that if there was no starforce in 1.0 it still would have been instable, unoptimized and randomly crashing. I seriously doubt it caused alot of instability.

Version 2.0 of the game is practically flawless and also includes an extra mission which allows you to get a player HQ. I'd also suggest that if you do want a space sim game you do get X3, especially with the latest patch, its really worth it IMO, but the game isn't for people who dislike steep learning curves, or a hard start ;) However there are a bunch of friendly people in the ego forums to help anyone with questions out. X3 shouldn't be tooo expensive.

Anyway back on topic... My nonchalantness says I'm certaintly no slave of the game industry I just like getting my games first and hoping they get better later on, which they generally do. I don't have any ideas on how to get them to stop releasing buggy games, I mean if you could get people to stop buying buggy games that would be great, but then the PC games industry would crash because no publisher would be willing to finance a game that takes 6 months longer than they want it to just to iron out all the bugs, Who knows! if you can get them to shift their buts and release games that aren't buggy I support ya.

[PutCashIn]

C'mon, patience is a virtue!

But all this outpouring of rage into the black hole of the internet is a good thing, we are not internalising our stress...lively debating is good for the soul!

Just wondering, (please flame my senselessness senseless for asking this) but is anyone prepared to pay for a patch? I once brought Soldiers: Heroes of WW2 for $NZ60, probably one of the most bugged games ever, but I loved it so much I paid $NZ30 for the re-released patched DVD version 3 years later - for a while, it was the only PC game my GF wanted to play...worth every cent of the $80, IMHO. (and I had to wait 3 years to play the game 'properly')
The relevance to MTW2 is I paid $NZ100 for a game I've so far loved to bits, five bucks for an even more fun version doesnt sound so bad, regardless of what the original intentions of the Dev's and Customers was.

Although, shame no fully implemented hotseat will be included, its a bit sketchy in its current state.
(If someone knows the solution to the player not defending in battles against the AI, please link me!)

[ULT255]

If someone knows the solution to the player not defending in battles against the AI, please link me!

That solution would be. . . a psychologist.

[Bijo]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular here but just at those who keeping doing this both here and at TWC:

If I see one more post along the lines of "I'm done with CA and TW and I'm uninstalling M2 and throwing it away and boo-hoo life sucks" I'm gonna shoot somebody.If you are truly that upset over a delayed patch, then go play WoW or something and leave all the people here who are actually enjoying this great game alone.

Take your drama somewhere else.

Then I think the time has come for you to shoot somebody A .38 should do the trick, but if you're more a fan of assault rifles, I'd recommend the good ol' AK47. Cheap, reliable, accurate


Anyway, I knew this would come up again, a delay, heh heh. I didn't expect anything else. It's just the way things go nowadays. One could think or expect businesses to become superior today and come to some sort of perfection in what they do, but it's only become worse and it will become worse in the future. O, money: the worst of them all to influence

[alpaca]

I appologize if this has already been stated and take it for what it is worth-- since I am only loosely quoting the official Q and A from the Sega website, but they are recommending that you don't use the leaked patch that is going around because it is un-official and may do more harm than good.

Speaking of ranting about games and game theft, you might find this post interesting:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=81953

I wonder just how many people that come here complaining about M2TW would be eating crow if Sega published the game using the same copy protection trick as Ubisoft did with SH4.


Personally, I have fun with the game and I'm sure I will have even more fun after the patch and still more with the expansion, but it is still just a game and that is all it ever will be to me. To me there are just a ton of more important things in life to get upset about.

Cheers

Yeah that's true, so I'll have to stress: Install the unofficial patch at your own risk. Don't come whining about it if it doesn't work for you.

[Maeda Toshiie]

If you want to install the unofficial patch, install it on a fresh install of M2TW 1.0. Do not try to install it over v1.1. There are reports of CTDs with v1.1 but many have no problems with the unofficial v1.2 installed over v1.0.

[zstajerski]

Considering the expansion:

I realy hope that no one here will buy it... cause thats the only way we can influence Sega and CA!!!
We must demand, that if we pay good € fro a game it must meet the standards!!!
We deserve it!!

Bojkot CA and Sega!!!!

[Bijo]

Considering the expansion:

I realy hope that no one here will buy it... cause thats the only way we can influence Sega and CA!!!
We must demand, that if we pay good € fro a game it must meet the standards!!!
We deserve it!!

Bojkot CA and Sega!!!!

But what are the standards? More particular: what are the standards of today?

[Lusted]

From various posts at TWc and .com it appears the people who have got the leaked patch working have noticed the following:

-2 handed bug fixed
-Shield bug fixed
-Cav charges fixed
-Cav chasing routers is much better
-No passive ai
-Improved battle ai/siege ai
-No ladder bug
-Improved pikemen
-Smoother animations(?)
-Better diplomacy and alliances
-Better campaign ai(?)
-Gunpowder units can fire from walls if they have line of sight

All in all sounds like its pretty damn good patch, and it will be good once the official 1.2 is out.

[sapi]

Sounds good

[TB666]

Considering the expansion:

I realy hope that no one here will buy it... cause thats the only way we can influence Sega and CA!!!
We must demand, that if we pay good € fro a game it must meet the standards!!!
We deserve it!!

Bojkot CA and Sega!!!!

After trying the new patch I say to hell with that.
I got my money's worth before the patch and with the patch, it is even better.
The expansion will only improve and no way can I turn down a chance to improve a already excellent game.

Anyway, a report from 1.2

First I would like to show this pic.


3 units of Norse Axemen against 2 feudal knights from Scotland.
The results are clear as you can see.
The charges are just murder and even worse now that the AI actually uses it's cavalry properly.
But once the charge is gone, the axemen goes to work and they make short work out of the heavy cav.

Well on to the campaign.
I tried a polish campaign and so far I'm loving it.
The first shock came when a hungarian princess came for a visit at Krakow(sp??).
She offered trade rights and I accepted.
I noticed that I could arrange a marriage with her and my faction heir.
Now in 1.0 and 1.1 the AI always accepted a marriage however not this time.
Instead she got insulted by the offer and not only that, she hit me with a counter-proposal.
Their proposal was that our princess marry their heir and have to pay a huge tribute each turn to them as well or else they will attack me.
I turned down this insulting offer and she ran off.
So my relations with Hungary is cold to say the least. No attack yet but I'm keeping my eyes open but I doubt they will attack.
They probably just wanted to show that they can insult people too.

Anyway, I built a army and attacked the rebel province west of Krakow(sp??).
Still no CTD so that's good and once again the AI tried to flank my archers when they got in range of the square.
Luckily I got melee troops close by so I could counter this flanking attempt.
And it seems the shield fix has made combat longer. And when my spear militia with silver armor attacked the archers and got in close-combat with them, they took no casualties at all.
The fight on the square was a bit of a tough one since my men got attacked from all sides(well except from behind but that would be a long pointless journey since they would have to run all the way around the town).
But I won nicely.
Also infantry aren't as spread out as they used to be.

After taking the city I attacked a rebel army just outside Krakow.
Once again a nice surprise. The AI didn't just stand there, they moved to attacked me. Here they used some nice strategy. They used woodsmen to try to keep me busy while their cavalry hit me on the flanks.
Luckily my polish nobles cavarly could sway off the cavalry charge with their throwing spears.

[Generals_Bodyguard]

Hi this is my first post. I just like to get rid of some misconceptions:

1) There is no good and bad patch. All the patches are the same.

2) All patches are the same size the confusion is between bytes and Megabytes coz ppl to think there are some of different size.

3)because of 2. the patch is NOT leaked.the problem is not caused of a leaked hotseat version patch.As i said all versions are the same and SEGA was the one that uploaded them to the sites.Hence technically it is not leaked (unlike the Half Life 2 saga).

4)The patch out now can only be installed unto M2TW 1.0.It will not work with M2TW 1.1.

Due to all this coming to the fore at the last minute. I would like to state that i am a little dissapointed that SEGA refused to tell us the real problem with the patch and blamed it on possibly bad upload...corrupted they say..I ask you if it is corrupted how can the patch be installed in the first place...It is completely fine on M2TW1.0.

This is clearly a big boo boo they made and are not admitting. They overlooked update from 1.1 which is unthinkable. ALtough someone has officially said it was their mistake.However he was not really forthcoming on exactly why and what was their mistake.Then they went on to say they were pressured by the fans to realease it fast.WHatever it is i believe the fans deserve to know the truth. The truth that someone in the technical side or QA overlooked a huge thing and not corruption during upload. I am pretty sure they knew what the exact problem is when they made the official statement which was like very long after the patch came out.

Inspite of this, i think SEGA was just being careful when they said they were not gonna support anyone using this patch. Firstly the oficial posts were made from their non technical staff. So he couldnt guarentee those using this version will not have problem if say u update it to 1.3 or for the expansion later. Even if the official patch will essentially be the same thing, i think to avoid compatibility issues in the future, everyone should reinstall the new official patch when it cones out.

PS This is not a rant..this is possibly the truth that are are not admitting because they dont want u guys to use the patch out now.

[TB666]

4)The patch out now can only be installed unto M2TW 1.0.It will not work with M2TW 1.1.

That is not true.
I installed 1.2 on a old 1.1 and I'm having no problem at all.

[Generals_Bodyguard]

That is not true.
I installed 1.2 on a old 1.1 and I'm having no problem at all.

Hmmm...there might be something different with ur 1.1. Something must be different with it. Are 2h units working properly?

[TB666]

Hmmm...there might be something different with ur 1.1. Something must be different with it. Are 2h units working properly?

Yes, everything is working as it should be.
Just read my long report above.