Winning Liberal support for the Iraqi Government

[Divinus Arma]

And the hippy leftists and lack of good old fashioned American Character caused us to lose Vietnam. Lest we forget.

Which is funny since now they are reforming.


But Iraq is no Vietnam, and we would expect to see greater Islamic Extremism emboldened by their victory in Iraq.

[AntiochusIII]

I'm having trouble figuring who's serious and who's not.

I mean, seriously; it's not very funny when the back of your mind keeps telling you that these guys could actually be, you know, serious.

[Lemur]

But Iraq is no Vietnam, and we would expect to see greater Islamic Extremism emboldened by their victory in Iraq.

You're behind the curve, DA. "Emboldened" was the catchphrase last month. But assuming we're going to go along with last month's talking points (we'll just pretend it's March out of politeness), can you give us some sort of numerical figure for that emboldening? Are we talking a 20% jump of emboldedness? A 70% leap? I would like to know just how much emboldening we're talking about. And it's worth noting that staying in Iraq has an emboldening factor, as well. I want to see the emboldening curve for staying contrasted with the emboldening curve for leaving.

We need to get a lot less vague about this.

[Adrian II]

You're behind the curve, DA. "Emboldened" was the catchphrase last month. But assuming we're going to go along with last month's talking points (we'll just pretend it's March out of politeness), can you give us some sort of numerical figure for that emboldening? Are we talking a 20% jump of emboldedness? A 70% leap? I would like to know just how much emboldening we're talking about. And it's worth noting that staying in Iraq has an emboldening factor, as well. I want to see the emboldening curve for staying contrasted with the emboldening curve for leaving.

We need to get a lot less vague about this.

Good point. Personally I would like to see Navaros' value cesspool coefficient (VCC) factored in. Maybe if we weighed that for quantifiable 'reconstruction efforts' it would finally bring some clarity.

[Agent Miles]

Hey, you forgot to give a smug alert before you posted.

It’s not about some stupid ‘emboldening’ percentage. Either the firemen put out the fires the arsonists started or the whole place burns down. The police catch the child rapist or your kids may be next. We stop the people who want to destroy the economies of the West, kill all the Jews and Christians in the world (and then all the Muslims that disagree with them), or they win.
The basic Iraqi isn’t the ‘sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll’ dude that you’re used to supporting. Maybe they’ll never have a democracy that you would visit. However, they still deserve your support in this struggle against anarchists. They already have mine.

[Odin]

Hey, you forgot to give a smug alert before you posted.

Isnt it a given?

It’s not about some stupid ‘emboldening’ percentage. Either the firemen put out the fires the arsonists started or the whole place burns down. The police catch the child rapist or your kids may be next. We stop the people who want to destroy the economies of the West, kill all the Jews and Christians in the world (and then all the Muslims that disagree with them), or they win. The basic Iraqi isn’t the ‘sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll’ dude that you’re used to supporting. Maybe they’ll never have a democracy that you would visit. However, they still deserve your support in this struggle against anarchists. They already have mine.

thats a bit simplistic isnt it? I mean why wouldnt they want to destroy the west economy when we have our armies running around thier country side?

Sure we can justify it, but it takes a moderate person to be able to look at it from the others point of view. If my town were occupied I would attempt to sabotage the occupier as well, no matter how loudly they proclaimed it was in my best intrest.

the right of self determination is one that cant be imposed by force.

[Agent Miles]

Dr. Ayman Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahiri wanted to destroy the World Trade Center because he believed that this would destroy world trade. If the economies of the west collapsed, then we couldn’t afford to stop him from uniting the faithful and subjugating everyone they don’t like. Perhaps you feel that it was simplistic to believe that there were some fascists or communists trying to destroy our world, too.
This isn’t a people’s war against the crusaders. Iraq has sixteen provinces. Fourteen of them are coming along fine. Bagdad and Anbar province are making headway against the terrorists. If a million Iraqis had a peaceful demonstration against U.S. involvement, then I would be all for leaving.
The people of Iraq have exercised the right of self-determination several times already. The result wasn’t that we should stop helping them, or that the anarchists should take over.
Remember when Hemmingway and the other communist youth went to Spain to fight Franco. They had battle cries like, “No man is free until all men are free!”. The ‘moderate’ leaders of Erope thought that Fascism wasn’t a threat. Pretty ironic. They sure don’t make liberals like them anymore.

[Goofball]

Dr. Ayman Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahiri wanted to destroy the World Trade Center because he believed that this would destroy world trade. If the economies of the west collapsed, then we couldn’t afford to stop him from uniting the faithful and subjugating everyone they don’t like. Perhaps you feel that it was simplistic to believe that there were some fascists or communists trying to destroy our world, too.
This isn’t a people’s war against the crusaders. Iraq has sixteen provinces. Fourteen of them are coming along fine. Bagdad and Anbar province are making headway against the terrorists. If a million Iraqis had a peaceful demonstration against U.S. involvement, then I would be all for leaving.
The people of Iraq have exercised the right of self-determination several times already. The result wasn’t that we should stop helping them, or that the anarchists should take over.
Remember when Hemmingway and the other communist youth went to Spain to fight Franco. They had battle cries like, “No man is free until all men are free!”. The ‘moderate’ leaders of Erope thought that Fascism wasn’t a threat. Pretty ironic. They sure don’t make liberals like them anymore.

Oh, that's right. You invaded Iraq because you wanted to free the Iraqi people.

*waits for invasion of China*

[Goofball]

Hey, you forgot to give a smug alert before you posted.

It’s not about some stupid ‘emboldening’ percentage. Either the firemen put out the fires the arsonists started or the whole place burns down. The police catch the child rapist or your kids may be next. We stop the people who want to destroy the economies of the West, kill all the Jews and Christians in the world (and then all the Muslims that disagree with them), or they win.
The basic Iraqi isn’t the ‘sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll’ dude that you’re used to supporting. Maybe they’ll never have a democracy that you would visit. However, they still deserve your support in this struggle against anarchists. They already have mine.

Erm...

If you were so concerned about Iraqis having to "struggle against anarchy" maybe you shouldn't have caused that anarchy in the first place.

Just a thought.

You guys were hell bent on invading.

Everybody told you not to.

Everybody told you it was a bad idea, and that it could have only disastrous results for you and the Iraqi people.

You did it anyway.

And now you try to chastise everybody else when the whole mess was your own fault.

As my 13 year old niece is fond of saying: "What-EVER..."

*goes back to his sex, drugs, & rock 'n' roll*