Exploring the opposition mind on the War in Iraq.

[Odin]

Am I the only one who wants the oil?

Nope.

We should have had tankers lined up in the persian gulf and shipped as much as possible to the U.S.

These ideological wars Mr Bush has gotten us into really have me scrathing my head, you cant export a theory unless you have a willing customer.

I much prefer war for profit, clearly we need the oil anyway, it would defer some of the cost of the war and if we sucked enough out minimalize the value of that commodity in that part of the world.

But oh no, we want to ensure they are no longer repressed and have the right of self determination Bush is an idiot, the only person who can ensure self determination is the individual, so once he screwed up and went to war at a minimum we should have taken the treasure.

what would have been the worst that could have happened? Iraq civil war and universal condemnation from the rest of the world?

[CrossLOPER]

But oh no, we want to ensure they are no longer repressed and have the right of self determination Bush is an idiot, the only person who can ensure self determination is the individual, so once he screwed up and went to war at a minimum we should have taken the treasure.

You honestly think that Bush has or ever had the welfare of the Iraqi people at heart? Are you serious?

[Odin]

You honestly think that Bush has or ever had the welfare of the Iraqi people at heart? Are you serious?

To be blunt yes, I think he truly believed that he was rescuing them from a tyrant.

Yes i am serious, why wouldnt i be?

these guys are radical ideological nuts, yep no doubt in my mind he believed and still does believe the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

[Tribesman]

We should have had tankers lined up in the persian gulf and shipped as much as possible to the U.S.

They did have the tankers lined up , the problem was that they had them waiting in line for a hell of a long time . All the time they was waiting it was just costing more money , since they were waiting and waiting and waiting in a dangerous area the insurance and wages premiums cost even more money .

Another case of bad planning eh

[Odin]

They did have the tankers lined up , the problem was that they had them waiting in line for a hell of a long time . All the time they was waiting it was just costing more money , since they were waiting and waiting and waiting in a dangerous area the insurance and wages premiums cost even more money .

Another case of bad planning eh

Bah, the wait would have been half as long if Turkey had taken the payoff and let us invade from the north.

[Agent Miles]

Now that this has been explored, the Hitler's of the world thank you.

[Tribesman]

Bah, the wait would have been half as long if Turkey had taken the payoff and let us invade from the north.

Nah , wouldn't have made much difference , the hundreds of attacks on pipelines and refineries which caused delays happened after "victory" . Since those that occur in the North , which would be the only facilities were Turkish help would have had any impact occur in those errrr.....quiet , fine areas where the Pershmerga have been in control for the past decade anyhow .

Now that this has been explored, the Hitler's of the world thank you.

Thats wierd , I could have sworn that it was the Hitlers of the world that went round invading countries and spreading their form of government among others .
Perhaps I got my history wrong and this is a good exampe that you can learn something new everyday

[Odin]

Nah , wouldn't have made much difference , the hundreds of attacks on pipelines and refineries which caused delays happened after "victory" . Since those that occur in the North , which would be the only facilities were Turkish help would have had any impact occur in those errrr.....quiet , fine areas where the Pershmerga have been in control for the past decade anyhow .

That assumes the same strategy that was used applies if the goal was different. Lets see a "surge" of 30k troops to secure oil lines to a port and tankers. forget urban centers, classic death trap for professional armies.

Nah, secure the oil, ship it home and allow Iraqi's the true meaning of the term "self determination".

[Adrian II]

Now that this has been explored, the Hitler's of the world thank you.

You are taking your self-criticism too far lately.