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**Boyar Son** · 04-08-2007, 01:48

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Considering most religious fundies believe in the literal intrepretation of the old testament...meaning the world was created by the Abrahamic God(s)
~7000 years ago.

God(s)??

What do you mean I thought only one?

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**Intranetusa** · 04-08-2007, 01:56

Originally Posted by K COSSACK

God(s)??

What do you mean I thought only one?

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Technically, the Trinity of the father, the son, and the holy spirit is one God. However, I hear many people consider Hinduism a polytheistic religion, even though Hinduism has the same concept - many dieties that make up the face of one God, Brahaman.

So if you consider Hinduism polytheistic, that applies to Christianity as well.
Needless to say, this is up for debate...

**antisocialmunky** · 04-08-2007, 03:08

5000 BC depending on your interpretation as the intepretation of day can be a literal day or a figrative day -> see Genesis 2:4.

Technically the Trinity of the father, the son, and the holy spirit is the result of religious fusion caused by the spread of Christianity as a state religion. The Trinities of gods in Asia and Europe were given a update to 'Christianize' them when the government officially sactioned Christianity as the de facto state religion.

That's why you have Mary mother of god and the divine Trinity of father son and holy spirit. That's why the birth of Christ was set to be in the middle of the Levant winter during the darkest days of winter and there is an Easter bunny - a old hold over from the fertility symbol days.

**Intranetusa** · 04-08-2007, 03:22

^ yup, 5000 BCE = ~ 7000 years ago
don't forget that Christmas is actually a pagan Celtic holiday. :)

Averni/Aedui with Christmas trees :)

**antisocialmunky** · 04-08-2007, 03:42

Or the Roman Saturnalia. Evergreens were used in festivals all throughout the north and then some. It usually meant rebirth of the sun(hence it being on the darkest days of the year) or something.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 04-08-2007, 08:33

Originally Posted by K COSSACK

But who came up with the modern clock?

Probably the Sumerians, who used base 12 and base 60. They put a slanted stick in the ground, noticed that the shadow moves in nearly a circle around the base. Then they put down numbers (1-12, being base 12) 12/0 being north. The sundial was born. When mechanical clocks were made, it was just easiest to make the 12 that was once north, now up.

I think the original "God(s)" comment meant Jewish God, Christian God, and Allah.

The Trinity is a big reason that countless people have died. The first interChristian holy wars were between Arian Christians (who believed God & Jesus were separate with Jesus under God) and the Athenisians(sp) (who believed that God/Jesus/Holy Spirit were the same being that manifest themselves in different ways). One of the reasons "The Vandals" are looked down on so much is because they were Arian and killed those they saw as heretics. Also in the early Frankish kingdom, there were conflicts between Arians and Athenisians (often called the first purely Christian wars).

Then there is the Trinity and Islam. Muhammad wrote that all those who followed one god were brothers to Muslums and that, while they were less than Muslums, they were not to be persicuted. Early Islamic kingdoms forced polytheistic peoples to convert, flee, or die. But Christians and Jews were allowed to live in Islamic countries as long as they paid a "non-Islam" tax. But there were tensions between the Turks and the Byzantines...then after the Crusades any hope of multirelgion cooperation died. But the Trinity played a part. Since Mohammad had said it was bad to kill monotheistic, Muslums got around this rule by saying that Christians were not monotheistic, following three gods. Thus, they were allowed to attack Christian kingdoms. Conflicts between Christians and Muslums have been costing lives for centuries, justified on one side by a technicallity. (Just to be fair, most Christian v Islam "holy wars" seem to have been started or instigated by Christians. Though countries that happened to be Islamic have done a good amount of conquering areas that were mostly Christian.)

This uncomfortable and esoteric arguement free of charge...

**Boyar Son** · 04-09-2007, 02:41

Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus

(Just to be fair, most Christian v Islam "holy wars" seem to have been started or instigated by Christians. Though countries that happened to be Islamic have done a good amount of conquering areas that were mostly Christian.)

This uncomfortable and esoteric arguement free of charge...................

Whats so fair about that? Muslim didnt get a wag of the finger...

**Rilder** · 04-09-2007, 19:53

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

^ yup, 5000 BCE = ~ 7000 years ago
don't forget that Christmas is actually a pagan Celtic holiday. :)

Averni/Aedui with Christmas trees :)

It might be but the whole name signifies a certain Monotheistic god's son... as such I refuse to celebrate the bloody holiday, if it was true Celtic Pagan holliday I would celebrate it with vigour as such I don't.