My only gripe with EB

[mlc82]

I've always been under the impression that phalanx on phalanx battles weren't all that bloody until one side or the other broke and ran.

[Juvenal]

I have played other mods with movement adjustments, but EB seems to have achieved a sweet-spot in my opinion.

Fresh troops move at a reasonable rate, but light troops can rings around heavies, and cavalry are fast enough to achieve tactical surprise (in other words you have to anticipate cavalry flanking if you want any chance of intercepting with infantry).

Exhausted troops become dramatically slower. This adds a whole new tactical challenge over Vanilla, because you have to try to rest troops before they become exhausted.

Recovery from exhaustion is fast enough for you to contemplate using the troops again before the end of the battle, but slow enough to compromise any blitzing plans you may have had.

All in all, I think the current movement and exhaustion/recovery rates work very well. Of course I have experienced the frustration of exhausted heavy infantry running so slowly they leave a slime trail - but at least I know it was my own fault.

The only problem I have with all this is that auto-resolve is unbalanced, forcing me to play almost every battle. However, this is not the fault of the EB team as I believe RTW is hard-coded to use campaign difficulty for auto-resolve.

[mlc82]

Personally, I like the slow battles and especially the increased fatigue rate. One of my favorite EB tactics in a siege is to send a medium quality infantry (hastati if playing as Rome, etc) unit in first to wear down and tire out the defenders (usually some superior defensive unit like heavy hoplites or etc), then pull my attackers back and send something truly nasty like well rested heavy samnite infantry in to kill them all off.

[CaesarAugustus]

Just use double or triple speed. I only use normal speed when I am maneuvering my units and in that epic few seconds before the battle lines clash.

[Rilder]

I usually only use accelerated time when I'm marching across long distances, get low frames at max Time compression... plus I like to make sure everythings going well and am constantly manevering...

[NeoSpartan]

THe slower kill rates are the BEST THING EVER.

Now you can realislically see units slugging it out. In vanilla, you could loose 3/4 of ur units in under 15 seconds from a cavarly charge. And in Pike Vs. Pike, the weaker line would melt one layer at a time, and 30seconds later the unit routs. WTF!!!!

EB got it right on the $$. The only thing that bugs me is that the AI can't manage Fatige and almost always arrives Tired to battle.

Also, I can't turn off fatige in the Preferences folder, I change it and nothing happens.

[antisocialmunky]

Well, yeah, phalanxes are boring when they fight each other unless you deploy your phalanxes to split the enemy or flank like a madman... Or have slingers. Try to be creative, EB allows alot of freedom for implementing tactics.

[Karielle]

Also, I can't turn off fatige in the Preferences folder, I change it and nothing happens.

I think that has something to do with changing preferences mid-game.. If you start a new campaign you'll probably see the change.

Oh, and I only speed up battles when I'm done deploying and the enemy army still marching in from far away.. usually in the heat of battle I seem to have a thousand and one things not going the way I want them to go, so as a result I spend most of the battle more or less micromanaging. It's fun, for me at least.

[Rilder]

Also, I can't turn off fatige in the Preferences folder, I change it and nothing happens.

Wrong prefrences folder I suspect, go into were your Rome-Total war:EB folder is go into the EB subfolder in that and go into the prefrences folder and change that one so the path is like:(at least on mine)

I/Program Files/The Creative Assembly/Europa Barbarorum/EB/Prefrences/Prefrences.txt

Don't ask about the I for my main hard-drive letter.

[swell]

THe slower kill rates are the BEST THING EVER.

Now you can realislically see units slugging it out. In vanilla, you could loose 3/4 of ur units in under 15 seconds from a cavarly charge. And in Pike Vs. Pike, the weaker line would melt one layer at a time, and 30seconds later the unit routs. WTF!!!!

EB got it right on the $$. The only thing that bugs me is that the AI can't manage Fatige and almost always arrives Tired to battle.

About the kill rates I agree 100% !!!
The movement rates are still a bit too fast for me , but I can change that easily.

[Yun Dog]

THe slower kill rates are the BEST THING EVER.

Now you can realislically see units slugging it out. In vanilla, you could loose 3/4 of ur units in under 15 seconds from a cavarly charge. And in Pike Vs. Pike, the weaker line would melt one layer at a time, and 30seconds later the unit routs. WTF!!!!

EB got it right on the $$. The only thing that bugs me is that the AI can't manage Fatige and almost always arrives Tired to battle.

Also, I can't turn off fatige in the Preferences folder, I change it and nothing happens.

AMEN brother

please dont change a thing ... I am loving that I can actually use tactics in battle again, having time to pull a flanking manouver, its my little piece of STW heaven re-incarnated

dude you want those fast, blob battles back... go back to vanilla and learn to LOVE IT

[Sheep]

I've always been under the impression that phalanx on phalanx battles weren't all that bloody until one side or the other broke and ran.

That's one of the reasons it was so popular, I guess. You could win a battle and still have some guys left to fight the next one.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I wish I could run battles on increased speed. Whenever I increase speed, not only does my frame rate go way down and I get lag, but the game will actually hang up for several seconds at a time.

I generally like the battle slowness, but agree and also hate it when you get the 'three guys surrounded by three thousand' who just won't die.

[antisocialmunky]

I wish I could run battles on increased speed. Whenever I increase speed, not only does my frame rate go way down and I get lag, but the game will actually hang up for several seconds at a time.

I generally like the battle slowness, but agree and also hate it when you get the 'three guys surrounded by three thousand' who just won't die.

There is a way around it. Turn your camera away from everyone and then super speed.

[skuzzy]

3x requires to rotate the camera away from the thousands of dying polygons but to just double the speed I suggest you get a new computer, that's the best alternative!

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

There is a way around it. Turn your camera away from everyone and then super speed.

Yeah, that helps, but if there is a giant battle underway it is still slow, plus I want to make sure something stupid doesn't happen.

I do turn the camera away and do triple speed when I'm waiting the enemy out though. Like when they start a siege or bridge battle then decide they changed their minds and wait outside or on the other side of the river.