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    Default Re: inquisitor kills my king... realistic?

    By whom? Of course not by the pope alone. The pope didn't fry the templars alone, nor was he the mastermind behind it.

    However, a union of kings allied with the pope could have fried a rival king. Say, the french and spanish kings and the holy roman emperor allied with the church conspiring against the aragonese king.

    Remember that the inquisition wasn't just a papal weapon, it was used more by the kings and princes of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    By whom? Of course not by the pope alone. The pope didn't fry the templars alone, nor was he the mastermind behind it.

    However, a union of kings allied with the pope could have fried a rival king. Say, the french and spanish kings and the holy roman emperor allied with the church conspiring against the aragonese king.

    Remember that the inquisition wasn't just a papal weapon, it was used more by the kings and princes of the world.
    Again , the Templars were not kings nor did they have a king .
    They were monks .


    Name a reigning Catholic king {that's King , not a lesser title of an independant holding} of the period the game spans whom was executed by the Inquisition . I have never hear of one .

    A deposed {as in , they were actually replaced and widely accepted as such} King or Emperor might have been somewhat vunerable however I have not heard of one such being killed by the Inquisition either .
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    By whom? Of course not by the pope alone. The pope didn't fry the templars alone, nor was he the mastermind behind it.

    However, a union of kings allied with the pope could have fried a rival king. Say, the french and spanish kings and the holy roman emperor allied with the church conspiring against the aragonese king.

    Remember that the inquisition wasn't just a papal weapon, it was used more by the kings and princes of the world.
    Your words alone prove that how the game does it is unrealistic. You're basically saying that if an inquisitor would kill a king, he needs another king's army to do it. Well, if that happens, I can defend myself in a battle.

    Inquisitors might be able to kill agents but there's no way they should be able to kill any general without bringing an army. And no, I don't think they should get armies out of thin air in the game.

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    The way the game represents the inquisition is quite off, really. It targeted heretical regions/cities and clergy, not kings, princes and other very high nobility. http://www.sundayschoolcourses.com/inq/inqcont.htm is a good description of the inquisition.

    The most powerful person killed by the inquisition, was the grand master of the templars. But the grand master wasn't the target, it was the order and their wealth. It was done by the french king with a political aim, not by the pope with a theological aim. The pope was merely an ally.

    In my mind, it is not very far fetched to think that the same could have happened to a king. Not a very powerful one, perhaps. Take Scotland during their wars with england, for example. Imagine that a part of the clergy turned their backs on the pope, or there were loud rumours that they were doing blasphemous things, say sodomy or idolatry. This would have brought the attention of the inquisition there. Now, imagine that the english king didn't have the military strength to fully crush Scotland. Instead, he devises a new plan. He is a very close friend of the pope, or even has the pope in his pocket. He does the same thing as the real french king, he accuses the scottish king and court of blasphemy. He also convinces the french king to turn their backs on and accuse scotland. Scotland doesn't have any other allies. He then sends his army in secret to capture and arrest the scottish high nobility. The inquisitors burn them all at the stake, and the english king completes his move by occupying scotland.

    One of those things that could have happened...
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    The Inquisition had no legal power to kill (they could still torture). The Inquisition could only try a suspect and then pass them on to secular authorities to carry out the sentence. The power to kill (burn, hang, mince, drown, behead, ect ect.) came from secular authority. I know of no monarch who would authorize his own death. I can't think of a single example where Inquisition killed a monarch. Maybe during the Bohemian wars? Really don't know.

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