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    So this has been a nagging question in the back of my head for some time now....

    What was the nature of the French government and political landscape in the years between the Battle of Waterloo and World War 2? My history classes in (American) secondary school always skip over this period, so unfortunately I've never known the answer to my question.

    The extent of my knowledge is that the Revolution precipated the fall of the monarchy and the rise of Robespierre and his cronies , and then the eventual ascension of Napoleon Bonaparte. Between Napoleon and Charles de Gaulle, however, I have absolutely no knowledge of the French governmental system and who the major players (if any) were.

    Can anyone shed some light on this subject, and/or direct me to materials covers this period? I'm rather keen to fill this gap in my knowledge.
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    It goes something like this:

    After Waterloo Napoleon I abbdictates and his son, Napoleon II takes over for like 2 weeks. Then the Monarchy comes backs, one of them does something wrong and are overthrown around 1848. France is now a republic again (The Second French Republic). For some reason they elect one of Napoleon I's decendents, also called Napoleon, as president. I am not sure why, but he becomes Emperor Napoleon III of the Second French Empire. He overthrown during the Franco-Prussian war, and France becomes the Third French Republic, which lasts until Germany invade during WW2.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Restoration
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Monarchy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolut...1848_in_France
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_French_Republic
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_French_Empire
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Third_Republic

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    To the MONASTERY with you!


    Louis-Phillipe became King after Napoleon I was kicked, out, and some of his actions were unpopular (Or was that Charles?) so he got kicked out and Napoleon III became Emperor, and tried to emulate his grandfather, but he failed. Miserably.
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    Ok
    Here should be chronology. I had it long time ago so if someone see mistake, please write.
    1815 Napoleon I abdicate , Louis XVIII became king
    1830 rumours into Paris, Louis XVIII abdicate, Louis Philip became king
    1848 another rumours into Paris, France became 2nd Republic, Napoleon III became president
    1851 Napoleon III became Emperor
    1871 After loosing French-Prussia War Napoleon III abdicate , France became 3rd Republic
    1871-1946 (practially 1940) France keep being republic with strange inner situation - teens of governments, practically with same politicians. Into 1940 France became conquered by Germans and unoccupied part is still being called 3rd republic
    1946-1958 - France is again republic with even stranger inner situation,
    1958 - .... De Gaulle establish 5th Republic (this time with strong position of president)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    1830 rumours into Paris, Louis XVIII abdicate, Louis Philip became king
    Actually, Louis XVIII was already dead; his brother, Charles X, was on the throne as the last Bourbon king. Louis-Philippe ascended to the throne as the lone representative of the House of Orleans.



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    Right
    sorry guys
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    Anyone smell garlic?


    My apologies if I offended anyone... honestly just a joke.

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    1st Republic 1792-1804:
    the National Convention 1792-1795 (Robespierre, Terror!)
    the Directory 1795-1799
    the Consulate 1799-1804 (this 'consul' was Napoleon)

    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    Ok
    Here should be chronology. I had it long time ago so if someone see mistake, please write.
    1815 Napoleon I abdicate , Louis XVIII became king
    1830 rumours into Paris, Louis XVIII abdicate, Louis Philip became king
    1848 another rumours into Paris, France became 2nd Republic, Napoleon III became president
    1851 Napoleon III became Emperor
    1871 After loosing French-Prussia War Napoleon III abdicate , France became 3rd Republic
    1871-1946 (practially 1940) France keep being republic with strange inner situation - teens of governments, practically with same politicians. Into 1940 France became conquered by Germans and unoccupied part is still being called 3rd republic
    1946-1958 - France is again republic with even stranger inner situation,
    1958 - .... De Gaulle establish 5th Republic (this time with strong position of president)
    Very good, Krook!

    Some points:

    1st Empire 1804-1814
    Napoleon abdicated in 1814. So the first 1st Empire lasted until 1814. He briefly returned for his '100 days' in 1815, ending in Waterloo.

    Restoration 1814–1830
    Louis XVIII 1814-1824, Charles X 1824 – 1830
    July Monarchy 1830–1848
    Louis-Philippe 1830-0848

    Second Republic 1848–1852

    Second Empire 1852–1870
    Napoleon III. There is a current thread about him in the Monarchy.

    Third Republic 1870–1940
    The 2nd Republic is commonly understood to have ended in 1940, not 1946.

    1940-1944
    For Americans or Britons:
    France playing cheese eating, garlic sniffing surrender monkeys.
    For normal people:
    Occupied Zone in the north and west, l'État Français ('Vichy') in the southeast, De Gaulle and the Free French in London. The nature or classification of this period is still the subject of passionate debate.

    Provisional Government 1944–1946

    Fourth Republic 1946–1958

    Fifth Republic 1958–....

    Quote Originally Posted by Martok
    What was the nature of the French government and political landscape in the years between the Battle of Waterloo and World War 2
    Well that's an awfully complicated question. I can not give an answer that would be within the scope of a forum post. I'd love to discuss anything specific, but I really wouldn't know how to classify the nature of this whole period in brief terms.

    Perhaps:
    politically:
    reactionaries versus progressives, with the two currents vying for control.
    economically:
    a gradual industrialisation, with few of the excesses of the heavily industrialising nations, but gradually lagging behind them too.
    socially:
    unstable
    artistically:
    very succesful. From painting to literature to architecture, this period very much defines the face of France.


    For the period in general, you can try to Wiki it, or get a concise history of France book, or read the all of the text below:

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    CHAPTER XVII.

    Louis XVIII.
    Return of Napoleon
    Waterloo
    St. Helena
    Bourbon Restoration
    Charles X.
    Louis Philippe
    Revolution
    Second Republic
    Louis Napoleon


    CHAPTER XVIII.

    Second French Republic
    The _Coup d'État_
    Napoleon III.
    A "Liberator" in Italy
    Peace of Villafranca
    Suez Canal
    An Empire in Mexico
    Franco-Prussian War
    Sedan


    CHAPTER XIX.

    Third French Republic
    The Commune
    The Germans in Paris
    Reconstruction from Thiers to Loubet
    Affaire Dreyfus
    Law of Associations
    Separation of Church and State
    Conference at Algeciras
    Election of M. Fallières
    Conclusion



    CHAPTER XVII.

    The allied powers named Louis XVIII., the brother of Louis XVI., for
    the vacant throne, who promised the people to reign under a
    constitutional government.

    The man who had deserted his brother in his extremity, a man who
    represented nothing--not loyalty to the past, nor sympathy with a
    single aspiration of the present--was king. As he passed under
    triumphal arches on the way to the Tuileries, there was sitting beside
    him a sad, pale-faced woman; this was the Duchesse d'Angoulême, the
    daughter of Louis XVI., the little girl who was prisoner in the Temple
    twenty years before. What must she have felt and thought as she passed
    the very spot where had stood the scaffold in 1793!

    Almost the first act of Louis XVIII. was the removal of the mutilated
    remains of the king and queen and his sister Elizabeth to the royal
    vault in the Church of St. Denis. He then gave orders for a _Chapelle
    Expiatoire_ to be erected over the grave where they had been lying for
    two decades, and for masses to be said for the repose of the souls of
    his murdered relatives. Paris was full of returning royalists.
    Banished exiles with grand old names, who had been earning a scanty
    living by teaching French and dancing in Vienna, London, and even in
    New York, were hastening to Paris for a joyful Restoration; and Louis
    XVIII., while Russian and Austrian troops guarded him on the streets of
    his own capital, was freely talking about ruling by divine right!

    That king was reigning under a liberal charter (as the new constitution
    was called)--a charter which guaranteed almost as much personal liberty
    as the one obtained in England from King John in 1215; and the palpable
    absurdity of supposing that he and his supporters might at the same
    time revive and maintain Bourbon traditions, as if there had been no
    Revolution, was at least not an indication of much sagacity.

    But there was a very smooth surface. The tricolor had disappeared.
    Napoleon's generals had gone unresistingly over to the Bourbons.
    Talleyrand adapted himself as quickly to the new regime as he had to
    the Napoleonic; was witty at the expense of the empire and the emperor,
    who, as he said, "was not even a Frenchman"; and was as crafty and as
    useful an instrument for the new ruler as he had been for the
    pre-existing one.

    But something was happening under the surface. While the
    plenipotentiaries were busy over their task of restoring boundaries in
    Europe, and the other restoration was going on pleasantly in Paris, a
    rumor came that Napoleon was in Lyons. A regiment was at once
    despatched to drive him back; and Marshal Ney, "the bravest of the
    brave," was sent with orders to arrest him.

    The next news that came to Paris was that the troops were frantically
    shouting "_Vive l'empereur_!" and Ney was embracing his beloved
    commander and pledging his sword in his service.

    At midnight the king left the Tuileries for the Flemish frontier, and
    before the dawn Napoleon was in his Palace of Fontainebleau (March
    20th), which he had left exactly eleven months before. The night after
    the departure of the king there suddenly appeared lights passing
    swiftly over the Font de la Concorde; then came the tramp of horses'
    feet, and a carriage attended on each side by cavalry with drawn
    swords. The carriage stopped at the first entrance to the garden of
    the Tuileries, and a small man with a dark, determined face was borne
    into the palace the Bourbon had just deserted.

    There was consternation in the Council Chamber in London when the Duke
    of Wellington entered and announced that Napoleon was in Paris, and all
    must be done over again!

    Immediate preparations were made for a renewal of the war. It was easy
    to find men to fight the emperor's battles. All France was at his feet.

    The decisive moment was at hand. Napoleon had crossed into the
    Netherlands, and Wellington was waiting to meet him.

    The struggle at Waterloo had lasted many hours. The result, so big
    with fate, was trembling in the balance, when suddenly the booming of
    Prussian guns was heard, and Wellington was re-enforced by Blücher.
    This was the end. The French were defeated (June 18, 1815). Napoleon
    was in the hands of the English, and was to be carried a life-prisoner
    to the island of St. Helena.

    Louis XVIII., who had been waiting at Ghent, immediately returned to
    the Tuileries, and to his foolish task of posing as a liberal king to
    his people, and as a reactionary one to his royalist adherents. The
    country was full of disappointed, imbittered imperialists, and of angry
    and revengeful royalists. The Chamber of Peers immediately issued a
    decree for the perpetual banishment of the family of Bonaparte from
    French soil; the extremists demanding that the families of the men who
    had consented to the death of Louis XVI. be included in the decree.
    Sentence of death was passed upon Marshal Ney, as a traitor to France.
    Some might have said that a greater traitor was at the Tuileries; but
    the most picturesque in that heroic group of Napoleon's marshals was
    shot to death.

    There was, in fact, a determined purpose to undo all the work of the
    Revolution; to restore the supremacy and the property of the Church,
    and the power of the nobility. In the meantime, the people, perfectly
    aware that the returned exiles were impoverished, were paying taxes to
    maintain foreign troops which were in France for the sole purpose of
    enabling the king's government to accomplish these things!

    Here was material enough for discord in a troubled reign which lasted
    nine years. Louis XVIII. died September 16, 1824; and the Count of
    Artois, the brother of two kings, was proclaimed Charles X. of France.

    If there had been any doubt about the real sentiments of Louis XVIII.,
    it must have been dispelled by the last act of his reign, when, at the
    bidding of the Holy Alliance, he sent French soldiers to put down the
    Spanish liberals in their fight for a constitution.

    But Charles X. did not intend to assume the thin mask worn by his
    brother. He had marked out a different course. All disguise was to be
    thrown aside in a Bourbon reign of the ante-revolutionary sort. The
    press was strictly censored, the charter altered, the law of
    primogeniture restored; and when saluted on the streets of Paris by
    cries of "Give us back our charter!" the answer made to his people by
    this infatuated man was, "I am here to receive homage, not counsel."

    One wonders that a brother of Louis XVI., one who had been a fugitive
    from a Paris mob in 1789--if he had a memory--dared to exasperate the
    people of France.

    On the 29th of July a revolt had become a Revolution, and once more the
    Marquis de Lafayette was in charge of the municipal troops, which
    assembled at St. Cloud and other defensive points.

    [Illustration: The Revolution of July 28, 1830. From the painting by
    Delacroix.]

    In vain did Charles protest that he would revoke every offensive
    ordinance, and restore the charter. It was too late.

    Louis Philippe, Duke of Orleans, was appointed lieutenant-general of
    the kingdom. When he appeared at the Hôtel de Ville wearing the
    tricolor, his future was already assured.

    There was only one thing left now for Charles to do: he formally
    abdicated, and signed the paper authorizing the appointment of his
    cousin to the position of lieutenant-general; and ten days later, Louis
    Philippe, son of Philippe Égalité, occupied the throne he left.

    The note struck by this new king was the absolute surrender of the
    principle of divine right. He was a "citizen king"; his title being
    bestowed not by a divine hand, but by the people, whose voice was the
    voice of God! The title itself bore witness to a new order of things.
    Louis Philippe was not King of France, but "King of the French." King
    of France carried with it the old feudal idea of proprietorship and
    sovereignty; while a King of the French was merely a leader of the
    people, not the owner of their soil. The charter and all existing
    conditions were modified to conform to this ideal, and on the 9th of
    August the reign of the constitutional king began.

    It was the middle class in France which supported this reign; the class
    below that would never forget that he was, after all, a Bourbon and a
    king; while the two classes above, both royalists and imperialists,
    were unfriendly, one regarding him as a usurper on the throne of the
    legitimate king, and the other as a weakling unfit to occupy the throne
    of Napoleon.

    When Charles X. tried to secure the banishment of the families of the
    men who had voted for the death of Louis XVI., he may have had in mind
    his cousin, the son of Philippe Égalité, the wickedest and most
    despicable of the regicides. Whatever his father had been, Louis
    Philippe was far from being a wicked man. Whether teaching school in
    Switzerland, or giving French lessons in America, he was the
    kindest-hearted and most inoffensive of gentlemen. The only trouble
    with this reign was that it was not heroic. The most emotional and
    romantic people in Europe had a common-place king. Only once was there
    a throb of genuine enthusiasm during the eighteen years of his
    occupancy of the throne, and that was when the remains of their adored
    Napoleon were brought from St. Helena and placed in that magnificent
    tomb in the Hôtel des Invalides by order of the king, who sent his son,
    the Prince de Joinville, to bring this gift to the people. The act was
    gracious, but it was also hazardous. Perhaps the king did not know how
    slight was his hold upon this imaginative people, nor the possible
    effect of contrast.

    Under the new order of things in a constitutional monarchy the king
    does not govern, he reigns. He was chosen by the people as their
    ornamental figure-head. But what if he ceased to be ornamental? What
    was the use of a king who in eighteen years had added not a single ray
    of glory to the national name, but who was using his high position to
    increase his enormous private fortune, and incessantly begging an
    impoverished country for benefits and emoluments for five sons?

    An excellent father, truly, though a short-sighted one. His power had
    no roots. The cutting from the Orleans tree had never taken hold upon
    the soil, and toppled over at the sound of Lamartine's voice
    proclaiming a republic from the balcony of the Hôtel de Ville.

    When invited to step down from his royal throne, he did so on the
    instant. Never did king succumb with such alacrity, and never did
    retiring royalty look less imposing than when Louis Philippe was in
    hiding at Havre under the name of "William Smith," waiting for safe
    convoy to England, without having struck one blow in defence of his
    throne.

    But three terrible words had floated into the open windows of the
    Tuileries. With the echoes of 1792 still sounding in his ears,
    "Liberty," "Equality," and "Fraternity," shouted in the streets of
    Paris, had not a pleasant sound!

    Republicanism was an abiding sentiment in France, even while two dull
    Bourbon kings were stupidly trying to turn back the hands on the dial
    of time, and while an Orleans, with more supple neck, was posing as a
    popular sovereign. During all this tiresome interlude the real fact
    was developing. A Republican sentiment which had existed vaguely in
    the air was materializing, consolidating, into a more and more tangible
    reality in the minds of thinking men and patriots.

    The ablest men in the country stood with plans matured, ready to meet
    this crisis. A republic was proclaimed; M. de Lamartine, Ledru-Rollin,
    General Cavaignac, M. Raspail, and Louis Napoleon were rival candidates
    for the office of President.

    The nephew of Napoleon Bonaparte, and son of Hortense, was only known
    as the perpetrator of two very absurd attempts to overthrow the
    monarchy under Louis Philippe. But since the remains of the great
    emperor had been returned to France by England, and the splendors of
    the past placed in striking contrast with a dull, lustreless present,
    there had been a revival of Napoleonic memories and enthusiasm. Here
    was an opportunity to unite two powerful sentiments in one man--a
    Napoleon at the head of republican France would express the glory of
    the past and the hope of the future.

    The magic of the name was irresistible. Louis Napoleon was elected
    President of the second Republic, and history prepared to repeat itself.




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    CHAPTER XVIII.

    A revolution scarcely deserving the name had made France a second time
    a republic. The Second French Republic was the creation of no
    particular party. In fact, it seemed to have sprung into being
    spontaneously out of the soil of discontent.

    Its immediate cause was the forbidding of a banquet which was arranged
    to take place in Paris on Washington's birthday, February 22d, 1848.
    M. Guizot, who had succeeded M. Thiers as head of the ministry, knowing
    the political purpose for which it was intended, and that it was a part
    of an impending demonstration in the hands of dangerous agitators,
    would not permit the banquet to take place.

    This was the signal for an insurrection by a Paris mob, which
    immediately led to a change in the form of government--a crisis which
    the nation had taken no part in inaugurating. Revolution had been
    written in French history in very large Roman capitals! But when the
    smoke from this smallest of revolutions had curled away, there stood
    Louis Napoleon--son of the great Bonaparte's brother Louis and Hortense
    de Beauharnais--who had been elected president by vote of the nation.

    France did not know whether she was pleased or not. Inexperienced in
    the art of government, she only knew that she wanted prosperity, and
    conditions which would give opportunity to the genius of her people.
    Any form of government, or any ruler who could produce these, would be
    accepted. She had suffered much, and was bewildered by fears of
    anarchy on one side and of tyranny on the other. If she looked
    doubtfully at this dark, mysterious, unmagnetic man, she remembered it
    was only for four years, and was as safe as any other experiment; and
    the author of those two ridiculous attempts at a restoration of the
    empire, made at Strasbourg and at Boulogne, was not a man to be feared.

    The overthrow of monarchy in France had, however, been taken more
    seriously in other countries than at home. It had kindled anew the
    fires of republicanism all over Europe: Kossuth leading a revolution in
    Hungary, and Garibaldi and Mazzini in Italy, where Victor Emmanuel, the
    young King of Sardinia, was at the moment in deadly struggle with
    Austria over the possession of Milan, and dreaming of the day when a
    united Italy would be freed from the Austrian yoke.

    The man at the head of the French Republic was surveying all these
    conditions with an intelligence, strong and even subtle, of which no
    one suspected him, and viewed with satisfaction the extinguishment of
    the revolutionary fires in Europe, which had been kindled by the one in
    France to which he owed his own elevation!

    The Assembly soon realized that in this prince-president it had no
    automaton to deal with. A deep antagonism grew, and the cunningly
    devised issue could not fail to secure popular support to Louis
    Napoleon. When an assembly is at war with the president because _it_
    desires to restrict the suffrage, and _he_ to make it universal, can
    anyone doubt the result? He was safe in appealing to the people on
    such an issue, and sure of being sustained in his proclamation
    dissolving the Assembly.

    The Assembly refused to be dissolved. Then, on the morning of December
    2, 1851, there occurred the famous _coup d'état_, when all the leading
    members were arrested at their homes, and Louis Napoleon, relying
    absolutely upon their suffrages, stood before the French nation, with a
    constitution already prepared, which actually bestowed imperial powers
    upon himself. And the suddenness and the audacious spirit with which
    it was done really pleased a people wearied by incompetency in their
    rulers; and so, just one year later, in 1852, the nation ratified the
    _coup d'état_ by voluntarily offering to Louis Napoleon the title,
    Napoleon III., Emperor of the French.

    His Mephistophelian face did not look as classic under the laurel
    wreath as had his uncle's, nor had his work the blinding splendor nor
    the fineness of texture of his great model. But then, an imitation
    never has. It was a marble masterpiece, done in plaster! But what a
    clever reproduction it was! And how, by sheer audacity, it compelled
    recognition and homage, and at last even adulation in Europe!--and what
    a clever stroke it was, for this heavy, unsympathetic man to bring up
    to his throne from the people a radiant empress, who would capture
    romantic and aesthetic France!

    It was a far cry from cheap lodgings in New York to a seat upon the
    imperial throne of France; but human ambition is not easily satisfied.
    A Pelion always rises beyond an Ossa. It was not enough to feel that
    he had re-established the prosperity and prestige of France, that fresh
    glory had been added to the Napoleonic name. Was there not, after all,
    a certain irritating reserve in the homage paid him? was there not a
    touch of condescension in the friendship of his royal neighbors? And
    had he not always a Mordecai at his gate--while the _Faubourg St.
    Germain_ stood aloof and disdainful, smiling at his brand-new
    aristocracy?

    War is the thing to give solidity to empire and to reputation! So,
    when invited to join the allies in a war upon Russia in defence of
    Turkey, Louis Napoleon accepted with alacrity. France had no interests
    to serve in the Crimean War (1854-56); but the newly made emperor did
    not underestimate the value of this recognition by his royal neighbors,
    and French soldiers and French gun-boats largely contributed to the
    success of the allied forces in the East.

    The little Kingdom of Sardinia, as the nucleus of the new Italy was
    called, had also joined the allies in this war; and thus a slender tie
    had been created between her and France at a time when Austria was
    savagely attacking her possessions in the north of Italy.

    When Napoleon was privately sounded by Count Cavour, he named as his
    price for intervention in Italy two things: the cession to France of
    the Duchy of Savoy, and the marriage of his cousin, Jerome Bonaparte,
    with Clotilde, the young daughter of Victor Emmanuel. Savoy was the
    ancestral home of the king, and the only thing he loved more than Savoy
    was his daughter Clotilde, just fifteen years old. The terms were
    hard, but they were accepted.

    When Louis Napoleon entered Italy with his army in 1859, it was as a
    liberator--dramatically declaring that he came to "give Italy to
    herself"; that she was to be "free, from the Alps to the Adriatic"!
    The victory at Magenta was the first step toward the realization of
    this glorious promise; quickly followed by another at Solferino. Milan
    was restored, Lombardy was free, and as the news sped toward the south
    the Austrian dukes of Tuscany, Modena, and Parma fled in dismay, and
    these rejoicing states offered their allegiance, not to the King of
    Sardinia, now, but to the King of Italy. There were only two more
    states to be freed, only Venetia and the papal state of Rome, and a
    "United Italy" would indeed be "free from the Alps to the Adriatic."

    Then the unexpected happened. The dramatic pledge was not to be kept.
    Venetia was not to be liberated. The Peace of Villafranca was signed.
    Austria relinquished Lombardy, but was permitted to retain Venice.
    Cavour, white with rage, said, "Cut loose from the traitor! Refuse
    Lombardy!" But Victor Emmanuel saw more clearly the path of wisdom;
    and so, after only two months of warfare, Napoleon was taking back to
    France Savoy and Nice as trophies of his brilliant expedition.

    This liberator of an Italy which was _not_ liberated, would have liked
    to restore the fleeing Austrian dukes to their respective thrones in
    Florence, Modena, and Parma; but he did what was more effectual and
    pleasing to the enemies of a united Italy: he garrisoned Rome with
    French troops, and promised Pius IX. any needed protection for the
    papal throne.

    One can imagine how Garibaldi's heart was wrung when he exclaimed,
    "That man has made me a foreigner in my own city!" And so might have
    said the king himself.

    The emperor and the empire had been immensely strengthened by the
    Italian campaign. France was rejoicing in a phenomenal prosperity,
    reaching every part of the land. There was a new France and a new
    Paris; new boulevards were made, gardens and walks and drives laid out,
    and a renewed and magnificent city extended from the Bois de Vincennes
    on one side to the Bois de Boulogne on the other. With the building of
    public works there was occupation for all, resulting in the repose for
    which France had longed.

    The Empress Eugénie was beautiful and gracious, and her court at
    Versailles, Fontainebleau, and the Tuileries compared well in splendor
    with the traditions of the past.

    The emperor's ambitions began to take on a larger form. Under the
    auspices of the government, M. Lesseps commenced a transisthmian canal,
    which would open communication between the Mediterranean Sea and the
    Red Sea. Then, in 1862, a less peaceful scheme developed. An
    expedition was planned to Mexico, against which country France had a
    small grievance.

    The United States was at this time fighting for its life in a civil war
    of gigantic proportions. The time was favorable for a plan conceived
    by the emperor to convert Mexico into an empire under a French
    protectorate. The principle known as the Monroe Doctrine forbade the
    establishment of any European power upon the Western hemisphere; but
    the United States was powerless at the moment to defend it, and by the
    time her hands were free, even if she were not disrupted, an Empire of
    Mexico would be established, and French troops could defend it.

    In a few months the French army was in the city of Mexico, and an
    Austrian prince was proclaimed emperor of a Mexican empire.

    This ill-conceived expedition came to a tragic and untimely end in
    1867. The civil war ended triumphantly for the Union. Napoleon,
    realizing that, with her hands free, the United States would fight for
    the maintenance of the Monroe Doctrine, promptly withdrew the French
    army from Mexico, leaving the emperor to his fate. A republic was at
    once established, and the unfortunate Maximilian was ordered to be shot.

    The finances of France and the prestige of the emperor had both
    suffered from this miserable attempt. At the same time, something had
    occurred which changed the entire European problem in a way most
    distasteful to Louis Napoleon. Prussia, in a seven weeks' war, had
    wrenched herself free from Austria (1866). Instead of a disrupted
    United States, which he had expected, there was a disrupted German
    Empire which he did not expect!

    The triumph of Protestant Prussia was a triumph of liberalism. It
    meant a new political power, a rearrangement of the political problem
    in Europe, with Austria and despotism deposed. This was a distinct
    blow to the Emperor's policy, and to the headship in Europe which was
    its aim. Then, too, the Crimea, Magenta, and Solferino looked less
    brilliant since this transforming seven-weeks' war, behind which stood
    Bismarck with his wide-reaching plans.

    His own magnificent scheme of a Hapsburg empire in Mexico under a
    French protectorate had failed, and now there had suddenly arisen, as
    if out of the ground, a new political Germany which rivalled France in
    strength. The thing to do was to recover his waning prestige by a
    victory over Prussia.

    The Empress Eugénie, devoutly Catholic in her sympathies, saw, in the
    ascendancy of Protestant Prussia and the humiliation of Catholic
    Austria, an impious blow aimed at the Catholic faith in Europe. So, as
    the emperor wanted war, and the empress wanted it, it only remained to
    make France want it too; for war it was to be.

    Only one obstacle existed: there was nothing to fight about! But that
    was overcome. In 1870 the heart of the people of France was fired by
    the news that the French Ambassador had been publicly insulted by the
    kindly old King William. There had been some diplomatic friction over
    the proposed occupancy of a vacant throne in Spain by a member of the
    Hohenzollern (Prussian) family.

    Whether true or false, the rumor served the desired purpose. France
    was in a blaze of indignation, and war was declared.

    Not a shadow of doubt existed as to the result as the French army moved
    away bearing with it the boy prince imperial, that he might witness the
    triumph. Not only would the French soldiers carry everything before
    them, but the southern German States would welcome them as deliverers,
    and the new confederation would fall in pieces in their hands. The
    birthday of Napoleon I., August 15th, must be celebrated in Berlin!

    This was the way it looked in France. How was it in Germany? There
    was no North and no South German. Men and states sprang together as a
    unit, under the command of Moltke and the Crown Prince Frederick
    William.

    The French troops never got beyond their own frontier. In less than
    three weeks they were fighting for their existence on their own soil.
    In less than a month the French emperor was a prisoner, and in seven
    weeks his empire had ceased to exist.

    The surrender of Metz, August 4th, and of Sedan, September 2d, were
    monumental disasters. With the news of the latter, and of the capture
    of the emperor, the Assembly immediately declared the empire at an end,
    and proclaimed a third republic in France.

    Two hundred and fifty thousand German troops were marching on Paris.
    Fortifications were rapidly thrown about the city, and the siege, which
    was to last four months, had commenced.

    The capitulation, which was inevitable from the first, took place in
    January, 1871. The terms of peace offered by the Germans were
    accepted, including the loss of Alsace and Lorraine, and an enormous
    war indemnity.

    The Germans were in Paris, and King William, the Crown Prince (_Unser
    Fritz_), Bismarck, and Von Moltke were quartered at Versailles; and in
    that place, saturated with historic memories, there was enacted a
    strange and unprecedented scene. On January 18, 1871, in the Hall of
    Mirrors, King William of Prussia was formally proclaimed Emperor of a
    new German Empire. Ludwig II., that picturesque young King of Bavaria,
    in the name of the rest of the German states, laid their united
    allegiance at his feet, and begged him to accept the crown of a united
    Germany.

    Moved by his colossal misfortunes, and perhaps partly in displeasure at
    having a French republic once more at her door, England offered asylum
    to the deposed emperor. There, from the seclusion of Chiselhurst, he
    and his still beautiful Eugénie watched the republic weathering the
    first days of storm and stress.



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    CHAPTER XIX.

    Immediately after the deposition of the emperor a third Republic of
    France was proclaimed. A temporary government was set up under the
    direction of MM. Favre, Gambetta, Simon, Ferry, Rochefort, and others
    of pronounced republican tendencies.

    This was speedily superseded by a National Assembly elected by the
    people, with M. Thiers acting as its executive head.

    During the siege of Paris an internal enemy had appeared, more
    dangerous, and proving in the end far more destructive to the city than
    the German army which occupied it.

    What is known as the Paris Commune was a mob of desperate men led by
    Socialistic and Anarchistic agitators of the kind which at intervals
    try to terrorize civilization to-day.

    The ideas at the basis of this insurrection were the same as those
    which converted a patriotic revolution into a "Reign of Terror" in
    1789, and Paris into a slaughter-house in 1792-93.

    Twice during the siege had there been violent and alarming outbreaks
    from this vicious element; and now it was in desperate struggle with
    the government of M. Thiers for control of that city, which they
    succeeded in obtaining. M. Thiers, his government, and his troops were
    established at Versailles; while Paris, for two months, was in the
    hands of these desperadoes, who were sending out their orders from the
    Hôtel de Ville.

    When finally routed by Marshal MacMahon's troops, after drenching some
    of the principal buildings with petroleum they set them on fire. The
    Tuileries and the Hôtel de Ville were consumed, as were also portions
    of the Louvre, the Palais Royal, and the Palais de Luxembourg, and the
    city in many places defaced and devastated.

    The insurrection was not subdued without a savage conflict, ten
    thousand insurgents, it is said, being killed during the last week;
    this being followed by severe military executions. Then, with some of
    her most dearly prized historic treasures in ashes, and monuments gone,
    Paris, scarred and defaced, had quiet at last; and the organization of
    the third republic proceeded.

    The uncertain nature of the republican sentiment existing throughout
    France at this critical moment is indicated by the character of the
    Assembly elected by the people. More than two-thirds of the members
    chosen by France to organize her new republic were _monarchists_!

    The name monarchist at that time comprehended three distinct parties,
    each with a powerful following, namely:

    The LEGITIMISTS, acting in the interest of the direct Bourbon line,
    represented by the _Count of Chambord_, the grandson of Charles X.,
    called by his party _Henry V_.

    The ORLEANISTS, the party desiring the restoration of a limited
    monarchy, in the person of the _Count of Paris_, grandson of Louis
    Philippe.

    The BONAPARTISTS, whose candidate, after the death of the Emperor Louis
    Napoleon in 1873, was the young _Prince Imperial_, son of Napoleon III.
    [Napoleon II., the Duke of Reichstadt, had died in 1832.]

    M. Thiers had not an easy task in harmonizing these various despotic
    types with each other, nor in harmonizing them all collectively with
    the republic of which he was chief. He abandoned the attempt in 1873,
    and Marshal MacMahon, a more pronounced monarchist than he, succeeded
    to the office of president, with the Duc de Broglie at the head of a
    reactionary ministry. It began to look as if there might be a
    restoration under some one of the three types mentioned. The Count of
    Paris generously offered to relinquish his claim in favor of the Count
    of Chambord (Henry V.), if he would accept the principles of a
    constitutional monarchy, which that uncompromising Bourbon absolutely
    refused to do.

    In the meantime republican sentiment in France was not dead, nor
    sleeping. Calamitous experiences had made it cautious. Freedom and
    anarchy had so often been mistaken for each other, it was learning to
    move slowly, not by leaps and bounds as heretofore.

    Gambetta, the republican leader, once so fiery, had also grown
    cautious. A patriot and a statesman, he was the one man who seemed to
    possess the genius required by the conditions and the time, and also
    the kind of magnetism which would draw together and crystallize the
    scattered elements of his party.

    It was the stimulus imparted by Gambetta which made the government at
    last republican in fact as well as in name; and as reactionary
    sentiment increased on the surface, a republican sentiment was all the
    time gathering in volume and strength below.

    The death of the prince imperial, in 1879, in South Africa, was a
    severe blow to the imperialists, as the Bonapartists were also called,
    who were now represented by Prince Victor, the son of Prince Napoleon.

    Although these rival princes occupied a large place upon the stage,
    other matters had the attention of the government of France, which
    moved calmly on. The establishing of a formal protectorate over
    Algeria belongs to this period.

    Ever since the reign of Louis XIV. the hand of France had held Algeria
    with more or less success. The Grand Monarch determined to rid the
    Mediterranean of the "Barbary pirates," with which it was infested, and
    so they were pursued and traced to their lairs in Algiers and Tunis.
    From this time on attempts were made at intervals to establish a French
    control over this African colony. During the reign of Louis Philippe
    the French occupation became more assured, and under the Republic a
    formal protectorate was declared.

    In 1881 Tunis also became a dependency of France; a treaty to that
    effect being signed bestowing authority upon a resident-general
    throughout the so-called dominions of the bey.

    The fact that in 1878 France participated in the negotiations of the
    Congress at Berlin, shows how quickly national wounds heal at _the
    top_! And further proof that normal conditions were restored, is given
    by the Universal Exposition, to which Paris bravely invited the world
    in that same year.

    In 1879 M. Grévy succeeded Marshal MacMahon. It was during M. Grevy's
    administration that England and France combined in a dual financial
    control over Egypt, in behalf of the interests of the citizens of those
    two countries who were holders of Egyptian bonds.

    But the event of profoundest effect at this period was the death of
    Gambetta in 1882. The removal of the only man in France whom they
    feared, was the signal for renewed activity among the monarchists,
    which found expression in a violent manifesto, immediately issued by
    Prince Napoleon. This awoke the apparently dormant republican
    sentiment. After agitated scenes in the Chamber, Prince Napoleon was
    arrested; and finally, after a prolonged struggle, a decree was issued
    suspending all the Orleans princes from their military functions.

    Almost immediately after this crisis the Count of Chambord (Henry V.)
    died at Frohsdorf, August, 1883, by which event the Bourbon branch
    became extinct; and the Legitimists, with their leader gone, united
    with the Orleanists in supporting the Count of Paris.

    A small war with Cochin-China was developed in 1884 out of a diplomatic
    difficulty, which left France with virtual control over an area of
    territory, including Annam and Tonquin, in the far East.

    In 1885 M. Grévy was re-elected. This was, of course, construed as a
    vote of approval of the anti-monarchistic tone of the administration.
    So republicanism grew bolder.

    There had been an increased activity among the agents of the monarchist
    party, which found expression in demonstrations of a very significant
    character at the time of the marriage of the daughter of the Count of
    Paris to the Crown Prince of Portugal. The republicans were determined
    to rid France of this unceasing source of agitation, and their power to
    carry out so drastic a measure as the one intended is proof of the
    growth which had been silently going on in their party.

    The government was given discretionary power to expel from the country
    all actual claimants to the throne of France, with their direct heirs.

    The Count of Paris and his son, the Duke of Orleans, Prince Napoleon
    and his son, Prince Victor, were accordingly banished by presidential
    decree, in June, 1886. And when the Duke of Aumale violently
    protested, he too was sent into banishment.

    In 1887 M. Grévy was compelled to resign, on account of an attempt to
    shield his son-in-law, who was accused of selling decorations,
    lucrative appointments, and contracts. M. Sadi-Carnot, the grandson of
    the Minister of War of the same name, who organized the armies at the
    revolutionary period, was a republican of integrity and distinction,
    and was elected by the combined votes of radicals and conservatives.

    Another crisis was at hand--a crisis difficult to explain because of
    the difficulty in understanding it.

    The extraordinary popularity of General Boulanger, Minister of War, a
    military hero who had never held an important command, nor been the
    hero of a single military exploit, seems to present a subject for
    students of psychological problems; but his name became the
    rallying-point for all the malcontents in both parties. A talent for
    political intrigue in this popular hero made it appear at one time as
    if he might really be moving on a path leading to a military
    dictatorship.

    The firmness of the government in dealing with what seemed a serious
    crisis, was followed by the swift collapse of the whole movement, and
    when Boulanger was summoned before the High Court of Justice upon the
    charge of inciting a revolution, he fled from the country, and the
    incident was closed.

    In one important respect the Third Republic differs from the two
    preceding it. A constitution had hitherto been supposed to be the
    indispensable starting-point in the formation of a government. No
    country had been so prolific in constitutions as France, which, since
    1790, is said to have had no less than seventeen; while England, since
    her Magna Charta made her free in 1215, had had none at all.

    An eloquent and definite statement of the rights of a people once
    seemed as indispensable to a form of government as a creed to a
    religious faith. Perhaps the world, as it grows wiser, is less
    inclined to definite statements upon many subjects! Our own
    Constitution, probably the most elastic and wisest instrument of the
    kind ever created, has in a century required sixteen amendments to
    adapt it to changing conditions.

    What is known in France as the Constitution of 1875, is, in fact, a
    series of legislative enactments passed within certain periods of time;
    these, as in England, serving as a substitute for a Constitution framed
    like our own.

    The French may have done wisely in trying the English method of
    substituting a body of laws, the growth of necessity, for a written
    constitution. But this system, reached in England through the slowly
    moving centuries, was adopted in France, not with deliberate purpose at
    first, but in order to avoid the clashing of opposing views among the
    group of men in charge of the republic in its inception; men who, while
    ruling under the name of a republic, really at heart disliked it, and
    were, in fact, only enduring it as a temporary expedient on the road to
    something better. And so the republic drifted. There are times when
    it is well to drift; and in this case it has proved most satisfactory.

    Not alone the rulers, but the nation itself, was in doubt as to the
    sort of government it wanted, or how to attain it after it knew. It
    was experimenting with that most difficult of arts, the art of
    governing. An art which England had been centuries in learning, how
    could France be expected to master in a decade? And when we consider
    the conditions and the elements with which this inexperience was
    dealing, the dangerous element at the top and the other dangerous
    element beneath the surface, the ambitions of the princes, and the
    volcanic fires in the lowest class; and when we think of the waiting
    nation, hoping, fearing, expecting so much, with a tremendous war
    indemnity to be paid, while their hearts were heavy over the loss of
    two provinces; when we recall all this, we wonder, not that they made
    mistakes and accomplished so little, but that the government moved on,
    day by day, step by step, calmly meeting crises from reactionaries or
    from radicals, until the confidence of the world was won, and the
    stability of republican France assured.

    From 1893 to 1896 was a period of colonial expansion for France. The
    Kingdom of Dahomey in Africa was proclaimed a French protectorate.
    Madagascar was subjugated, and in 1895 the Province of Hiang-Hung was
    ceded by China.

    In the year 1894 Sadi-Carnot was assassinated in the streets of Lyons
    by an anarchist, and M. Faure succeeded to the presidency.

    A political alliance between France and Russia was formed at this time.
    It was also during the presidency of M. Faure that the agitation
    commenced in consequence of what is known as the _Affaire Dreyfus_.

    Captain Alfred Dreyfus, an Alsatian and an artillery officer upon the
    general staff, was accused of betraying military secrets to a foreign
    power (Germany). He was tried by court-martial, convicted, sentenced
    to be publicly degraded, having all the insignia of rank torn from him,
    then to suffer perpetual solitary imprisonment on the Isle du Diable,
    off the coast of French Guiana.

    The life of the French Republic was threatened by the profound
    agitation following this sentence, in which the entire civilized world
    joined; the impression prevailing that a punishment of almost
    unparalleled severity was being inflicted upon a man whose guilt had
    not been proven.

    It was the general belief that the bitter enmity of the French army
    staff was on account of the Semitic origin of the accused officer, and
    that his being an Alsatian opened an easy path to the accusation of
    treasonable acts with Germany.

    The trial of Captain Dreyfus was conducted with closed doors, and the
    sentence was rigorously carried out.

    As time passed, the agitation became so profound, and the public demand
    for a revision of the case so imperative, that the French court of
    appeal finally took the matter under consideration.

    The ground upon which this revision was claimed related to an alleged
    confession and to the authorship of the _bordereau_, the document which
    had been instrumental in procuring a conviction. Upon these grounds it
    was claimed that the judgment pronounced in December, 1894, should be
    annulled.

    The court was compelled to yield, and an order was issued for a second
    trial--a trial which resulted in revelations so damaging to the heads
    of the French army that a revolution seemed imminent.

    The accused man, wrecked by the five years on the Isle du Diable, again
    appeared before his accusers in the military court at Rennes. His
    leading counsel, Labori, was shot while conducting his case, but, as it
    proved, not fatally. The conduct of the trial was such that the dark
    secrets of this sinister affair were never brought from their murky
    depths. And with neither the guilt nor the innocence of the victim
    proven, the amazing verdict was rendered, "Guilty, with extenuating
    circumstances."

    Such was the verdict of the French military court. That of public
    opinion was different. It was the unanimous belief among other nations
    that the case against this unfortunate man had completely collapsed.
    But in order to protect the French army from the disgrace which was
    inseparable from a vindication of Dreyfus, he must be sacrificed.

    The sentence pronounced at the conclusion of the second trial was
    imprisonment in a French fortress for ten years.

    This sentence was remitted by President Loubet; and, with the brand of
    two convictions and the memory of his "degradation" and of Devil's
    Island burned deep into his soul, a broken man was sent forth free.

    Not the least dramatic incident in this affair was the impassioned
    championship of M. Zola, the great novelist, who hurled defamatory
    charges at the court, in the hope of being placed under arrest for
    libel, and thus be given opportunity to establish facts repressed by
    the military court. By the French law, the accused must justify his
    defamatory words, and this was the opportunity sought.

    The heroic effort was not in vain. Zola was found guilty and sentenced
    to a year's imprisonment, which he avoided by going into exile. But
    light had been thrown upon the "_Affaire._" And he was content.

    Upon the sudden death of M. Faure in 1899, Emile Loubet, a lawyer of
    national reputation, was chosen to succeed him, and his administration
    commenced while this storm was reaching its final culmination.

    With the release of Captain Dreyfus the agitation subsided. But before
    very long another storm-cloud appeared.

    A conflict between clericalism and the Government of France is not a
    new thing. Indeed, it was at its height as long ago as the thirteenth
    century, when Philip IV. and Pope Boniface had their little
    unpleasantness, resulting in Philip's taking the popes into his own
    keeping at Avignon, and in the issuance of a "Pragmatic Sanction,"
    which defended France from papal encroachments.

    The old conflict is still going on, and will continue until the last
    frail thread uniting Church and State is severed.

    The particular contention which agitates France to-day, inaugurated by
    the late Minister Waldeck-Rousseau, and continued by his successor, M.
    Combes, had its origin in an act called the "Law of Associations," the
    purpose of which was to restrict the political power of the Church by
    means of the suppression of religious orders of men and women upon the
    soil of France.

    This was considered an act of extreme oppression and tyranny on the one
    side, and as a measure essential to the safety of the republic on the
    other.

    In support of their contention the republican party claimed that the
    French clergy had always been in alliance with every reactionary
    movement, and that every agitation and intrigue against the life of the
    Third Republic had had clericalism as its origin and disturbing cause.
    Hence, the expulsion of the religious orders was declared to be
    essential to the safety of the republic.

    But the Law of Associations was only preliminary to the real end in
    view, which was accomplished in December, 1905, when a bill providing
    for the actual separation of Church and State was passed by the French
    Senate. There was a time when a measure so revolutionary would have
    opened the flood-gates of passion, and let loose torrents of invective;
    and the calmness with which it was debated in the French Parliament
    makes it manifest that the highest intelligence of the nation had
    become convinced of its necessity. The bill provides for the transfer
    to the government of all church properties. This change of ownership
    necessitated the taking of inventories in the churches, which many
    simple and devout people, incapable of understanding its political
    meaning, believed was a religious persecution, and resisted by force.
    The bill recently passed is aimed not at the Church, but at
    "Clericalism," a powerful element within the Church, which has been
    determined to make it a political as well as a spiritual power. With
    the passage of this bill there no longer exists the opportunity for
    political and ecclesiastical intrigues, which have made the Church a
    hatching-ground for aristocratic conspiracies. The severance now
    accomplished is not complete as with us. Money will still be
    appropriated from the public treasury for the maintenance of churches
    in France. But the power derived from the ownership of valuable
    estates is no longer in the hands of men in sympathy with the enemies
    of the existing form of government.

    Another matter which for a time seemed to threaten the peace of France
    has been happily adjusted. At an international conference held at
    Algeciras, for the purpose of considering the demoralized conditions
    existing in the State of Morocco, France and Germany came so sharply in
    collision that serious consequences seemed imminent, consequences which
    might even involve all of Europe.

    France, with her territory adjoining the disturbed state, and her long
    Algerian coast-line to protect, naturally felt that she was entitled to
    special recognition; while Germany, having invited the conference,
    claimed a position of leadership. It was over the special privileges
    desired by each that the tension between these two states became so
    acute; and finally the one question before the conference was whether
    France or Germany should be the custodian of Morocco, insure the safety
    of its foreign population, have charge of its finances, and be
    responsible for the policing of its coast. Of course the nation
    assigned to this duty would hold the predominant influence in North
    African affairs, and it was this large stake which gave such intensity
    to the game. The final award was given to France, and Germany, deeply
    aggrieved but with commendable self-control, has accepted the decision.

    The elections recently held in France have afforded an opportunity to
    discover the sentiment of the nation concerning the policies, radical
    and almost revolutionary, which have made the concluding days of M.
    Loubet's incumbency an epoch in the life of France. The result has
    been an overwhelming vote of approval. In M. Fallières, who has been
    elected to the presidency, there is found a man even more
    representative of a new France than was his predecessor. A man of the
    people, the grandson of a blacksmith, a lawyer by profession, M.
    Fallières has been identified with every important movement since he
    was first elected Deputy in 1876; has been eight times Minister; was
    President of the Senate during the seven years of President Loubet's
    term of office; and January 17, 1906, was elected to the highest
    position in the state. The appointment of M. Sarrien, with his
    well-known sympathies, to the office of Prime Minister, sets at rest
    any doubt as to the policy initiated by M. Waldeck-Rousseau, and
    consummated by M. Combes.

    With each succeeding administration France has gained in strength and
    stability, and in the self-control and calmness which make for both.
    The government and the people have learned that the spasmodic way is
    not a wise and effectual way.

    The monarchist party has disappeared as a serious political factor.
    There is peace, external and internal. And there is prosperity--that
    surest guarantee of a continued peace.

    One source of the phenomenal prosperity of France in this trying period
    since 1871 has been her mastery in the art of beauty. Leading the
    world as she does in this, her art products are sought by every land
    and every people. The nations must and will have them; and so, with an
    assured market, her industries prosper, and there is content in the
    cottage and wealth in the country at large.

    What a change from the time less than four decades ago, when, with
    military pride humbled in the dust, with national pride wounded by the
    loss of two provinces, and loaded down with an immense war indemnity,
    the people set about the task of rehabilitation! And in what an
    incredibly short time the galling debt had been paid, financial
    prosperity and political strength restored.

    For thirty-four years the republic has existed. Communistic fires,
    always smouldering, have again and again burst forth--demagogues,
    fanatics, and those creatures for whom there is no place in organized
    society, whose element is chaos, standing ready to fan the flames of
    revolt: with Orleanist, Bonapartist, Bourbon, ever on the alert,
    watching for opportunity to slip in through the open door of revolution.

    Phlegmatic Teutons and slow-moving Anglo-Saxons look in bewilderment at
    a nation which has had seven political revolutions in a hundred years!

    But France, complex, mobile, changeful as the sea, in riotous enjoyment
    of her new-found liberties, casts off a form of government as she would
    an ill-fitting garment. She knows the value of tranquillity--she had
    it for one thousand years! The _people_, who have only breathed the
    upper air for a century--the people, who were stifled under feudalism,
    stamped upon by Valois kings, riveted down by Richelieu, then prodded,
    outraged, and starved by Bourbons, have become a great nation.
    Many-sided, resourceful, gifted, it matters not whether they have
    called the head of their government consul, emperor, king, or
    president. They are a race of freemen, who can never again be enslaved
    by tyrannous system.

    There may be in store for France new revolutions and fresh
    overturnings. Not anchored, as is England, in an historic past which
    she reveres, and with a singularly gifted and emotional people who are
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    The nature or classification of this period is still the subject of passionate debate.”: Régime de Vichy, clearly fascist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus
    The nature or classification of this period is still the subject of passionate debate.”: Régime de Vichy, clearly fascist...
    yes one of many shameful periods in french history. they happily participated in the holocaust.

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    I'm not quite sure if the Vichy regime can be regarded as "fascist" in any of the normal senses of the term. Fascism as a mode of governement is AFAIK normally defined as charismatic and reactionary, centering around a "great leader" type. A kind of reverse Communist revolutionary sort. Vichy comes off as more of an old-school conservative autocracy with not a small dose of pure survivalist sentiment thrown in, which is a very different type of regime.
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    Vichy regime can be regarded as "fascist": Well, I think it qualified. No parliament, took power with a Coup but with a legal appearance, creates it own militias, call on old good supposed French Values, hate of the Republic, Catholic and anti-Semitic (the Vichy laws were worst than the German’s one, and Germany didn’t even asked Pétain to issue them), reactionary and like Mussolini, in favour of the corporations.
    Allied itself with Germany (the last fighting SS in Berlin were French, Belgium and Dutch, 33 SS Charlemagne for the French…), as Adrian said, one of the shameful moment in the French History. Deportation of the Jews, collaboration with Nazi Germany, torture and killing of the French (and the foreigners) who disagreed, Pétain betrayed his country.
    I was near to forget: Pétain was a friend of Franco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus
    No parliament, took power with a Coup but with a legal appearance, creates it own militias, call on old good supposed French Values, hate of the Republic, Catholic and anti-Semitic (the Vichy laws were worst than the German’s one, and Germany didn’t even asked Pétain to issue them), reactionary and like Mussolini, in favour of the corporations.
    The same could be said of any number of right-wing, autocratic states. Also, while anti-Semitism often coincides with fascism, it rarely takes on the central role that it did in Nazi Germany.

    The exact definitions of fascism vary, but they usually include, as Watchman said, a charismatic "great leader". No cult of personality ever developed around Petain akin to those that did around Hitler, Mussolini, or even Franco.

    Also, fascism is usually assumed to be tied to mass-based, ultra-nationistic party. While Vichy France had its share of fascist paramilitary organizations, none of them could claim to be mass-based.

    In its common, perjorative sense, fascism could certainly be applied to the Vichy regime. In a more empirical sense, this might be a bit of a stretch, though again, the precise meaning of the term is quite contested.



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    Before this thread goes completely off-topic: I just wanted to thank Louis and everyone else for the responses to my question. It was very informative, and I consider myself a little better-educated than I was before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesGregarius
    In a more empirical sense, this might be a bit of a stretch, though again, the precise meaning of the term is quite contested.
    Well, it doesn't help the actual "fascist" movements themselves weren't too good at coming up with coherent ideologies (beyond the basic common denominator of ultranationalist populism) and the whole term is really just a catchall umbrella term for reactionary right-wing movements centered around charismatic leaders and employing similar methods to pursue their goals.

    The acute anti-intellectualism that seemed to characterize most of the lot isn't terribly helpful either.

    Incidentally, I understand Franco's "fascism" is often regarded as purely opportunistic and something he largely abandoned once his position was secure enough that German and Italian aid was no longer necessary, duly largely sidelining the actual Spanish fascist-equivalent party in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesGregarius
    The exact definitions of fascism vary, but they usually include, as Watchman said, a charismatic "great leader". No cult of personality ever developed around Petain akin to those that did around Hitler, Mussolini, or even Franco.
    Although it is difficult to understand nowdays, Petain WAS a charismatic leader. He was the only man in the vichy's regime that was widely trusted by the population and his reputation from WWI gave him the possibility to present himself as France's savior. The regime in itself was constituted by different groups ranging from cold blooded opportunists to nazis, including reactionaries, fanatic catholics, anti-democratic right wingers and many others.
    It was his person that sticked all this together.
    In a sense he can be compared to Franco that also led this kind of heterogeneous regime.
    His person was the absolute reference of every action perpetrated by his regime, his picture was produced everywhere it could, his personal glory sung at every opportunity.
    The anthem of his regime was 'maréchal nous voilà!', something like 'marechal here we are' and was totaly dedicated to his person.
    He was closer to Franco than to any other fascist leader, but his regime had big bits of nazism and italian fascism into it.

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