I never really understood the line "Those who surrender their liberty for a little bit of security, deserve neither liberty nor security."... I understand that it sounds all very cool in a revolutionary way, but it practice...

Isn't that what government is all about, I mean at one end of the scale you have anarchy, complete freedom to do what ever you want but absolutely no security and at the other end is the police/military state with complete "security" but absolutely no freedom...

At it's simplest government is an attempt to move away from (or at least organise and restrain) mob rule...

I guess we need to define the terms "Freedom" and "Security" to really talk about them. Freedom to do what? Anything, not be oppressed, not be blown up, not be impeded by a government official? Security from what? Foreign invasions, domestic unrest, crime, goverment interferance, your neigbours noisy teenage kid?