Just wondering

[Somebody Else]

Those who think we've been there for long enough already. How long ago did we go into Kosovo? Was that better executed than Iraq? Because we're still there too.

[Tribesman]

I'm sure you'll want to respond to this. I already feel that I've gone out on a limb as far as hijacking a thread, so I won't respond any more on this subject in this thread.

Thats OK , you screwed up in the first paragraph of your last post
But this line is definately worth a laugh......

The most spectacular and potentially damning speculations are trumpeted by the liberal crowd.

wouldn't the most potentially damning speculation be those trumpeted by the administration and echoed by the gung-ho crowd ? especially as the reality of that speculation turned into a damn big mess .

[Adrian II]

Those who think we've been there for long enough already. How long ago did we go into Kosovo? Was that better executed than Iraq? Because we're still there too.

Far better. Kosovo is now ethnically clean - that is, the Kosovars cleaned out the Serbs instead of the other way around. A huge success.

[Brenus]

“that is, the Kosovars cleaned out the Serbs instead of the other way around. A huge success.” : And the Ashkenales, the Montenegrins, the Croats, the Romas and the bad Albanians… Burned the Churches, still retain thousands of kidnapped persons from all nationalities and religions (probably killed)… Yeap that is a success story…
A Serbian friend of mine, last summer, told that without the Kosovo being as well Methodia, the Serbs happily will get rid of it. He told me, and I saw it, that without to have to pay for Kosovo (EU pays the bills now), Serbia is now able to invest in her own infrastructure. For example, the motorway between Belgrade and Novi Sad is finally finished, after years of delays…

9/11, OK.

“Because we're still there too”: But less and less welcome, but all International Forces are in the same boat. The Kosovars want you and us to go now, to finish off the last Serbs in Mitrovica. Now, the interesting question is Belgrade will allow happening, if not, will the International community keen to intervene again?

“You're probably right, you're looking at centuries, if not millenia, of ancient prejudice and hatred based on religion”: Iraq had a National Conscience. Even the Kurds somehow. The cut between different communities is a direct effect of the post-invasion handling of the situation. Instead to see Iraq as a whole, the Administration had nothing better to do than to divide the Iraqis in Communities and to destroy the feeling of nationality.

“The conflicts he has gotten us into are not illegal, by U.S. law” Can you explain to me? US laws allowed a President and the Chambers to invade a country which is not a menace, thousands of kilometres far from the national territory? Without any reasons, even not the protection of National Interests? How?

“Iraq that is able to defend itself from its neighbours”: Funny enough, one of the reasons invoked by Bush Limited and Co was Iraq WAS the danger for the neighbours. And now, Iraq has to be protected from Koweit?

“intelligence agencies of the world thought the WMDs were there” Not the Germans, French, Russian, Chinese and the list is too long. Even in watching the news, and the state of Iraq’s material it was obvious that she didn’t have the money to do it. The persons on the field, the UN inspectors said that no, Iraq doesn’t possess WMD… Few missile used (SCUD, just a upgraded V2) during the first war, and a hand of new one which were destroyed when UN asked. Why did Saddam lied? Because to tell the Iranians he was defenceless was a little bit tricky…
You were in Iraq. I was too. What material did they have? T54/55, T62 and T72 for the elite, the Republican Guards… Your translator, like mine, told you what he thought will please you. Of course they helped (he was in a Chemical Unit?) to carry chemical ammunitions? To where? Didn’t told you… What unit?

“they haven't been disproven” They are by the fact they were not recovered, nor any documents proving they were there. No troopers, mo officers, no scientists came (and they would have been welcome by the administration) with information… I can’t prove that I didn’t kill my neighbour, even if no corps was found, so I am guilty… What kid of reasoning is it? I have no neighbour… Can’t prove an absence…

“the removal of the WMDs was "common knowledge" on the street in Iraq.”: All specialists in recognising chemical material and munitions, I supposed…

[Odin]

[QUOTE=Brenus]

“The conflicts he has gotten us into are not illegal, by U.S. law” Can you explain to me? US laws allowed a President and the Chambers to invade a country which is not a menace, thousands of kilometres far from the national territory? Without any reasons, even not the protection of National Interests? How?

The senate authorized the president to conduct war against Iraq via the Iraq war resolution, passed i believe on 10/2002. That little piece of legislation does not make the war in Iraq illegal by U.S. law.

[Tribesman]

Wow Brenus

One interesting sideline to a bit of that , especially as it concerns the bit of George Bushs speech that Odin didn't quite get right .

Funny enough, one of the reasons invoked by Bush Limited and Co was Iraq WAS the danger for the neighbours.

There was this episode the other week where one of the neighbours said that if Iraq didn't stop the terrorist attacks against the neighbouring country from Iraq it would invade to clear out the terrorists .
Someone obviously had a word with them as this week they changed it to ...if the Iraqis don't stop the terrorist attacks on their neighbour then the neighbour will impose economic sanctions on Iraq .
Now the nice non-threatening response from the very senior Iraqi politician who runs the little fiefdom in question has most gratiously replied that any economic sanctions will result in a nice big terrorist campiagn against the neighbour .

The senate authorized the president to conduct war against Iraq via the Iraq war resolution, passed i believe on 10/2002. That little piece of legislation does not make the war in Iraq illegal by U.S. law.

But Odin you forgot the cornflakes didn't you

[Odin]

But Odin you forgot the cornflakes didn't you

Werent those outlawed in the revised patriot act?

Oh Im sorry, it was the milk....

I enjoy your posts 80% of the time Tribesman, the other 20 I have no clue what your talking about.

Whats my % ?

[Tribesman]

I enjoy your posts 80% of the time Tribesman, the other 20 I have no clue what your talking about.

Thats OK , I don't make things easy .
Kellog is still on the books .
Its something that applies to the legality of war .
Though as it doesn't work (its badly worded) it should be removed from US law ....... but until then it is still there .

[Brenus]

“Yeah, and they're still not terribly good at it.” Considering the extreme gap in material between the two belligerents, they are good enough for the more 2000 KIA and the more than 10.000 injured… “Hey, W, how many kids did you kill yesterday?”.