Quote Originally Posted by Quilts
I suspected as much. If I remember correctly you guys experienced some horrendous problems with 'barracks building' when you ported to 1.5.

So I may be way off track but must ask, would it be possible for the 'colony' itself to provide the troops, rather than a Factional MIC? So the colony is the factional MIC? Leaving the local MIC for auxiliaries?
Then it doesn't work with reforms. Nice idea though.


Really? I guess you have your reasons
Yes, we do, the Romans and the Druids are a good example, though polytheism is by definition more permeable than mon-theism.


Not really. The Romans themselves paid very little tax, as was the case with most citizens of any other city-state. Your obligation was to fight. I think tax of Romans was abolished in 177BC??? with the passing of some law. As a result the Italiots bore more and more of the tax burden. You still had to pay money to farm public land (tax?) and excise on trade (using the docks etc) but physical tax on income didn't really exist.

The Quaestors? dipping into their own pocket to fund the yearly games highlights that Rome didn't 'usually' have a very deep treasury.

It's wealth was manpower that had an obligation to fight, but even the minimal pay that legions eventually received prevented the Senate from using them when not necessary.

So the more 'Latins' you move into an area, the less revenue you receive.
True, but the more Latins you move in the more trade in high value goods, the more commerce in general. Aditionally, the more wealthy people giving back to the community.

In ny case tax in general was low in Rome, around 5% in todays terms in Caesar's times.

Also, the Italian cities were 'self determining' outside of foreign policy for which they defered to Rome. They also had obligations to self fund troop levies when required, but still ran their own governments (so 'all' that money shouldn't go to Rome's coffers).
Also true, but the Romani faction doesn't represent Roma independantly, it has to take into account all her "Allies."

When I said expensive. I meant expensive
Let me put it another way. I don't think you could pay a Greek money to live in the Steppes.

Another Disclaimer
-This idea is for the player ONLY. Not the AI!
In my 'ultimate' vision you see, fielding a legion would be very quick (0-turn recruitment and minimal cost) but VERY expensive. Enough so that if in the early game you kept all 4 Urban Legions and Ala in the field for the year you would well exceed your yearly income and bankrupt yourself. So if you were fighting and conquering alot you would not have the funds for expanding your colonies.....but if you weren't you wouldn't have the space to expand into.

I hope this makes sense and doesn't just receive the 'black banned for mentioning 0-turn recruitment' response
We work with RTW the best we can, Roman Legions did spend years under arms and it didn't bankrupt Rome, so your system isn't really representative. Additionally, we can't have a different set of rules like that for the player

As to your final point: We try to represent the problems Rome, or any faction, really experienced. With that said, in both you examples Rome did not gain control of those areas because she lacked commitment. In Greece the Roman armies went in at the behest of Greeks and left once the job was done. Greece was finally annexed because the Senate got fed up.