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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSpartan
    I am defetily with you on the usage of many Archers against Parthia and the like. U know what, u should bring in Celtic slinger from Gaul and have them shoot the Catapharcts.
    Yeah, since my campaign is still 080, I don't have any AP guys nearby (I might have added AP to eastern slingers a while back but haven't used them recently). Celtic slingers may be the second closest slingers to Persia that the Romans have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Owen the Mighty
    Has anyone tried to use the "3 maniple line" formation for the Romans? (Where the front line fights for awhile, then falls back behind the third line of infantry, and then the second line takes on the role of the front line, and so on and so forth) I've seen the checkboard formation, but this maniple system seems hard to pull of the on the field. Just wondering if anyone has ever actually used it in battle...
    I fought battles where the Hastati would fight, then when they need help I sent in the Pricepes, then if they needed help I sent in the Triarii. But I find that pulling guys out of a fight cost more casualties than if I have them fight while tired.


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    Orb why didn't you use any of the good, new, armenian infantry?
    I shouldn't have to live in a world where all the good points are horrible ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataphract_Of_The_City
    Has anyone tried a historical Alexandrian formation (oblique line, hoplite/light inf flank guards, Hetairoi at the apex of the formation and all that jazz) with the correct units? I tried that a couple of times in MP and got my ass kicked. It is rather difficult to maneuver (especially if you want to attack in an angle) and the enemy even in SP is not very cooperative.
    You must remember that it wasn't really a general use vs all formation but something he specifically adapted for in certain battles (iirc really only Gaugamela to that extent). His overall plan/tacitcs there were quite different than the other battles he fought due to necessity of facing vast numbers of cavalry. If you are having problems versus a Parthian force with many Grivpanvars for example, you might want to use something similar.

    In general my Macedonian fights were something arranged like this (no slingers as was .80):
    6-10 Pezhetairoi/Phalangitai Deuteroi
    2-4 Argyraspidai
    2-4 Agema troops
    1-3 Agrianians
    1-2 Hetairoi
    1-4 Allied Cavalry
    1-2 Light Cavalry
    0-4 Light troops
    0-4 Heavy Mercenary
    1 General


    P=Peltasts/Cretan Archers. Didn't really use other light troops.
    P=Phalanx (Phalangitai Deuteroi/Pezhetairoi)
    EP=Elite Phalanx (Argyraspidai at the end but Pezhetairoi in the start)
    A=Agema (Hypaspistai and Pheraspidai were used interchangeably on the field). I used them pretty liberally, when I had tiny casualty rates these units often took the brunt of them aside from mercenaries.
    AC=Allied Cavalry (Thessalonian/Thracian)
    AR=Agrianians
    C=Hetairoi
    G=General
    LC=Light cavalry. Skirmishers/Prodromoi
    M= Heavy Mercenary

    rough idea of a general formation. It's annoying to do so it's by no means accurate.

    X X X X X X P X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X P
    X AR X X X X X EP EP P P P P P P EP EP X X X X AR
    X X X X X M M X X X X X X X X A X X X X A X A
    X X X X X LC X AC X X X X X X G X X X X X X X X X X X X X X AC C

    The above is only a general abstract and I rarely used something exactly or even close to like that. My usual plan, assuming roughly equal numbers, was to overload one side, typically where the enemy put their weakest troops, putting my Agema and best cavalry there, while using my mercenary, light infantry, and elite phalanx units to hold the other side. When outnumbered, I would either use oblique order Leuctra style (mainly against enemy phalanxes), or leave deliberate holes in the phalanx formation to bait the enemy to overextend themselves through them and get surrounded (in this I'd keep the majority of my non-Phalanx troops in reserve). My Macedonian strategy is mainly to achieve a breakthrough at any one point and force the rest (or both halves) of the line after breaking that point. It's not that easy to do in EB in anywhere but the flanks though, for the A.I is consistent enough not to leave a weak or overextended center or hinge unless you really bait them well.

    Roman tactics seemed much simpler overall, although I have fought a fraction of the battles with them compared to the Maks. Due to much weaker cavalry (I typically employ maybe 1-2 besides the general to ensure strong pursuits and to prevent enemy cavalry from having free reign. Offensively they are pretty terrible for awhile), Roman strategy is more about outlasting then a quick success at one point and often times I will get a chain rout after awhile of fighting. Against non-Hellenic armies I will just make sure my units don't get flanked or cut off and make sure I have ample reserves to put in at any given moment of opportunity or crisis. Flanking, if done at all by the heavy infantry, is limited to 1-2 units as it doesn't produce nearly the effect as with other factions. The light infantry have an instrumental role of wing support from cavalry and harassing enemy reserves/flanks. The standard Hastati/Principe/Triarii three line doesn't work out too well in EB because there is no such thing as an orderly withdrawal. Either you rout or turn tail and get mauled from the back. It certainly is feasible to use Hastati/mercenaries as fodder and bait to let them force the enemy to expose themselves too far and then let your heavy infantry take advantage, but it isn't as good without good cavalry support and I don't like the higher than usual casualties it makes. Against Hellenic armies, the lines are strewn with holes and lengthened a bit, with the goal of disjointing the main center phalanx while defending against their superior cavalry/light infantry. If all goes well, the phalanx line will be pressured on both flanks and gaps will be present in many parts, leaving plenty of room for the Romans to flood in and force a rout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondor_Yards
    Orb why didn't you use any of the good, new, armenian infantry?
    Because it wasn't in 0.74 ;) If I had the luxury of decent Armenian infantry then, I would have used it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataphract_Of_The_City
    @Centurio Nixalsverdrus

    Why do you keep your reserve directing behing the first line? I can understand having a couple of units to plug gaps there but by putting your assault troops there increases the time they will have to move around the flank and assault the enemy. I never do that. I split my reserve (except gap-pluggers) between my flanks, putting them either in an oblique (away from the enemy) or column (fast to maneuver) formation. I usually split my cav (or reinforce one side) and to protect them I keep them right behind the two flank forces, read to either outflank enemy flankers or maneuver to attack the enemy flank.
    The main battle line isn't very long, so the assault troops can be maneuvered easily to every point.

    Note that the Agrianians are already at the flanks of the second line. They have almost no armour, and I don't want to expose them too much on missile fire, because they take great casualties then.

    Putting the assault troops away from the main battle line just causes the enemy to split up, which I don't like. It produces more work for the general and the Agrianians are not really perfect for defensive work - they don't have a chance if a seleukid phalanx engages them frontally.

    The heavy cavalry is protected by the three or four lines of infantry in front of them. It's not a big deal to move them around if necessary. The Thracians are at the flanks of course, and they are protected either by a hidden place, by speed or by their ferocious attack.
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    Ya, I guess exposing you men's backs to the enemy really doesn't work in this game, but in real life, they would have been protected right away by the next line of infantry. (They sort of sample this in the TV series "Rome")

    Hm. I wonder if there is a mod out there that changes the formations of Roman infantry according to what military reform they have had....that would be cool....(ow, I can barely write this, due to the massive welt on my wrist...gotta love paintball!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen the Mighty
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    oh yeah

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    The Monkey on Formations:

    I don't have any specific formation that I like the best, as I rather try and adapt to each situation as best I (or I should rather say, my general) can. How well I try to form it depends on the general - for example, for dull generals lacking in the tactics department, it's generally just a line and an order to "hack them dead". More so if the general also is a poor inf. general (as I never play eastern factions and always base my armies on infantry). Alternatively, if he's optimistic, I may try just putting the units out in a semi-random way, to simulate the odd chance that he might get hit by an idea.

    That said, if a general gains a heroic victory, he may take a liking of the formation, and so use it again. Further, if generals are "schooled" (in this case meaning if they've fought under the command of another general in the same army) they might pick up tactics that they were schooled with (whether they are bad or good). Generals who have the trait "Warmonger" are prone to position themselves in the front line, cowardly generals try to keep out of battle as much as their cowardice allows them etc. Role play FTW.

    The Monkey on Unit Composition:

    The general decides here again, with the only restriction of no cavalry armies (again, I don't play eastern factions, basically because I can't handle horses well enough - and I've always preferred infantry anyway). How much cavalry I bring depends on my general's personal flavor - generally controlled by whether he is a good or bad cavalry commander. A good one brings more, of course, and my faction also plays a role in this.

    The only fetish I have is that Skándza-Swaiut. If I can train 'em, I usually do and keep at least one of them in the starting army, if possible. I think it's a little nationalism shining through. Good thing they're quite good, too. For defensive armies I also use a lot of locals from around my empire, to simulate each village doing its part for the survival of the greater good.

    I will try to take some screens from my Sweboz campaign soon to show how it may be.
    Last edited by The Celtic Viking; 04-15-2007 at 09:58.

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    My favorite Casse army:

    K K PN R R R R PN K K

    K = Kluddargos
    PN = Pictone Neitos
    R = Rhycalaware

    I know, they're all elites, and to be fair I rarely use this combo. Normally they are watered down with non-elites, and brought up to full strength to counter the german full-stacks, something like this:

    ------------------I I I I
    ----------K M M G G R G G M M K
    -----T T-----------PN-----------T T

    K = Kluddargos
    PN = Pictone Neitos
    R = Rhycalaware
    I = Iosatae
    M = Milnacht
    G = Gaeliche
    T = Taramonnes

    The pictone are really only there to scare the enemy, and are generally run over to any weak spots, or to attack an enemy unit that really needs breaking. The Kluddargos (and to a lesser extent the Milnacht) are there to flank and carve up enemys with their awsome AP attack. The Taramonnes are there to run around behind the enemy line, chuck in javelins, and slaughter routing units. The Iosatae sling at the enemy as they approach, then retreat back and sling at any enemy reserves/ranged units over the heads of the melee.
    Last edited by Kugutsu; 04-15-2007 at 18:04.

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    This is a modified version of that V-shaped formation that was posted earlier. It works quite well on the battlefield.

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    I'm playing as the Getai currently (their units are so badass).

    I have my Thraikioi Peltastai in front. Then I have my Drapanai, which use their charge and warcry to disturb the enemy formations and kind of freak them out. Then I pull them out and let my heavy phalanxes take over from there and finish them off. All this while my elite archers supply a constant rain of flaming arrows from Hell from the back. My Prodromoi do their cavalry thing and do it well, and if need be my peltasts and my archers aren't too shabby at melee if I require them (I often assault walls just with my Thraikioi Peltastai).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen the Mighty
    This is a modified version of that V-shaped formation that was posted earlier. It works quite well on the battlefield.

    damn thats complicated...

    theres a mod for this?

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    No, no, I just re-arranged the formation that was metioned earlier on this thread, and made it my own. It is really hard to get all the units in the right place (and, of course, it only works if you have that exact unit roster)

    The good thing about it is that the flanks of the pikemen are extremely beefed up with Heavy Cavalry and Spearmen, so when I do use it, I never worry about cavalry charges on my flanks, as my units will decimate them.

    If you ever play with a Makedonian-esque army, you should try it out sometime. Quite fun!
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    The main problem is the cav. If you win the cavalry battle it is much easier to defeat this formation. Pikemen on the flanks with a flank guard to hold of the assault inf, and in the center sword units with gaps. Otherwise known as a Roman legion with Greek allies. :P

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    interesting tactics ive seen a roman player i love heavey infantry and relie alot on them to get the job done.

    1 Legion:
    -General is a competent one with at least 3 abilities to boost military effectiveness
    -4 hastati my core troops, at the front line to absorb and were out the enemy and pepper them wiht javilins
    -3 principes 2nd line of my army to reinforce breaks and replace hastati units who are all but spent
    -2 triarii elite unit and used when it all depends on this last ditch attempt to break or hold the line
    2 cav units (anytype) flanking force used to break morale of the enemy and prevent flanking of other cav
    2-4 mercs/allied state troops to fill the gaps such as archers slingers and flanking force


    setup: my setup varies depending on what i face

    for a heavey pike army like the mak's or AS a checkerboard formation i use

    -------P P P
    ----T H H H H T
    --C ---- G--------M M C

    the idea of this setup is as the army goes towards me or vise versa the pike line usually breaks slightly through Ai or terrain i engage with javalins and charge my principe into the front gaps begin to form within a minute and i charge my hastati through the gaps without ordering to engage until they've wedge'd themselves between the pikeline and then attack while this goes on i flank with 1 unit of cav and my mercs on one side and cav on the other side
    genreal only used in dire situations

    for barbarian faction simple line defence with cav flanking force and defensive stance

    -----HHHH
    ---C P P P C
    -MM T T ---MM
    -------G
    Last edited by ZaxStrife; 04-18-2007 at 13:55.

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    A couple of Formations for my Seleucid armies:
    Ther = Thureophoroi
    Hyp = Hypaspistai
    Pher = Pheraspidai
    Thorak = Thorakitai
    ThorakArg= Thorakitai Argyraspdai
    Pez = Duh
    Shipri = Shipri Tukul
    Het = Hetaroi

    Mobile Army


    ------Peltestai---------Peltestai----------
    -Hyp---Ther---Ther---Ther---Ther---Hyp

    Pher---Ther---Ther---Ther---Ther---Pher
    -------Thorak----Thorak------Thorak-----Prodomoi-Prodomoi
    -----------------General

    A new army composition of mine inspired by the Romans to deal with the Gypos. Fast, hard hitting and a lot of javelins.

    Royal Army

    -ThorakArg-Argyra-Argyra-Pez--Pez--Pez--Kleurichikoi-ThorkArg-
    --------------------------------------------------------------Shipri X2
    -----------Syrian-Syrian-Syrian-Syrian-Syrian-Syrian-----------Het--Het
    -----------------------General-General

    My royal army raised to Destroy those guys in the south.
    Tactics:
    My royal army and provincial Phalanx armies use the standard anvil and hammer.
    My mobile army is like a roman army in tactics. I march until the enemy is in range then throw my javelins. Rotating my first, second and third line to get them all off. If they engage then I throw all my men into them, while bringing my horses around to flank.

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    in my current romani campaign ive been using
    1 rorarii
    1 hastati
    1 Principes
    1 Triarii
    1 leves
    1 Equites Romani
    1 general
    1 allied infantry (usually samnite spearman)
    and sometimes 1 acencii

    I use the typical roman formation, checkerboard.

    ------A------
    --------L-----------
    xxxxx R xxxxx H xxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxx P xxxxxxxxxxx
    xx S xxxxxxxxxxxxxx T xxx
    xx G xxxxxxxxxxxxxx E xxx

    i let my acencii skirmish with the enemy line until they get within reasonable javalin range then retreat them back inbetween my general and my equites
    then i let my leves skirmish as well.
    then the real fight begins, they get in range of my rorarii and hastati, they throw their javalins, and usually their center tends to spill inbetween my rorarii and hastati, and my principes throw their javalins, then engage the enemy, which closes up the gap, depending on how long their line is my samnites tend to throw them aswell, and then they engage. and my triarii tend to do the same. i usually hold my equites and general for the rout, to mop up the enemy, enless the need is dire and i have to send them to battle.
    i try to use the formation and units CountArach uses in his AAR since it seems like a realistic approach, i find this formation and unit combination much much more exciting, realistic and overall more rewarding to use then only hastati/principes in my army.

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    OK this is my roman setup:
    1 rorarii(R)
    1 hastati(H)
    1 Principes(P)
    1 Triarii(T)
    1 leves(L)
    1 Equites Romani(E)
    1 general(G)
    2 allied infantry(S) (samnite spearman)
    1 acencii(A)

    Formation:

    _____L L L L L L_______

    __SSSS HHHHH SSSS___

    __AAAA PPPPPP RRRR__

    _______TTTTT________ EEE

    __GG________________


    Nothing special. Works though.

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    I was planning on doing a campaign as the Sabeans,and was wondering if you all could help me with figuring out some sort of basic army setup/composition.

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    Well, after many battles with my Makedonians, I've lost all interest in their fighting style....so now I'm a traitor! I've switched over to the versatile Cathaginians!

    After countless sieges, skirmishes and epic clashes, I've acquired an understanding of how to control the mighty Carthaginian armies. This is the formation I use to break large lines of infantry....or anything else!

    Formation:

    -L-----S----------S-----------S------L-
    ----------------------------------------
    ------------------EA-------------------
    --------------LP--EA--LP---------------
    ----------LP--P--------P--LP------------
    ------LP-----------------------LP-------
    ---C-------------------------------C----
    -C----------------C-------------------C-

    LP = Liby-Phoenicians (great troops)
    EA = Elite African Infantry (godly!)
    P = Pikemen (anchors for my armies)
    C = Cavalry (can also represent elephants)
    S = Skirmishers (can also represent slingers)
    L = Light Infantry (my favourite: Scutarii)


    Tactics:

    1. Skirmishers move forward with light infantry for support. They then harrass the enemy as my army moves forward. When a threat appears (i.e.enemy cavalry), the EAs move aside, and they fall in behind the "spearhead" of my army.
    2. When the lines of infantry clash, I let the EAs work their wonders on the enemy centre, while the LPs move forward to form the front line. After a while, if the enemy is weakening, the LPs push further ahead in an effort to envelop the enemy.
    3. At this time, the EAs are pretty tired, so I pull them back and have the Pikemen take on the center role. At the same time, my previous skirmishers and light infantry move around the front line, and start to harrass the enemy's flanks.
    4. Finally, my glorious cavalry do their duty of smashing into the enemy's flanks. This usually ends the battle, but if the enemy remains, my LPs complete their enveloping of the enemy, and I bring th EAs back into the conflict to finish the job. Victory!


    So there's my tactics for using the armies of Kart-Hadast! I hope Hannibal would be proud....
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    I use the 3 line formation pretty regularly with defend on to maintain formation. Kind of looks like this


    VVV SSS HHHHHHH HHHHHH SSS VVV
    HHHHHHH HHHHHHH
    PPPPPPP PPPPPPP
    PPPPPPP PPPPPPP
    TTTTTTT TTTTTTTT CCCCCCCCCC
    TTTTTTT TTTTTTTT CCCCCCCCCC
    RRRRRRRR
    RRRRRRRR


    The missiles troops are on skirmish and will harrass any flanking moves or head on advances (no nasty crushed skulls for the guys in my rear lines due to errant sling shot). The infantry serves as a pinning force. Front is always kept three deep. Any overlap on the Hastati is confronted by advancing principes with the missile troops falling back at will. I don't ever withdraw troops engaged. I just try to ensure that in case one unit routs, there is a unit of fresh troops behind them to cover retreat and regrouping efforts and to prevent the 'rundown' in routs that leads to so many casulties. If the first two lines break the Triarii move up and immediately re-engage the enemy. Cav is the flanking force and if need be the rearguard in the case of a complete rout.

    ok that doesn't look right


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    Hey lords, you're all tremendously rich, it seems... It's -208 in my Sauromatian campaign and I'm still definitely unable to afford the armies I'd love to see. I have a foot (at last!) in Northern Greece and I can hire a bit of Phalanx mercenaries, so I'm gonna think of what my army could look like in the future..

    So: General, one Roxolani Nobles.

    Two Aorsi Nobles.

    Four Aorsi Riders

    The rest beeing crappy infantery (Sarmatian light spearmen, baltic light infantery... life expectancy: horribly short), two or three archers (Scythian, Sarmantian, Persian, whatever...)
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    Ive been playing as the greeks, and although most of my armies are whatever units i've got handy, that I can throw together, i've been using the classic greek formations used in the peloponessian war and before.

    Basically I overload my right flank with my strongest hoplites, engage the enemy, gamble on the left holding out long enough for the right to win and wrap around.

    Its probably not that clever, but its fun. Usually have my general and any spartans on the right, then my Classicals and Mercenary hoplites, then usually levy hoplites. 50% of my force is usually light skirmisher units aswell, which litterally surround my hoplites and move all over the place, engaging, feinting and pestering the enemy.

    Any cavalry I have usually sits on the right, although I might move it to the centre so it can respond quicker to both flanks.

    CH - Classic Hoplites
    SP - Spartans
    LH - Levy Hoplites
    SK - Skirmishers
    A - Archers
    C - Cavalry
    G - General

    -------SK-------SK--------SK-------SK-----------
    --SK----LH-LH-CH-CH-CH-CH-SP-SP-G---SK-------
    ------------A--------A--------A------------------
    -------------C-----------C-----------------------

    Thats presuming its a full army and i'm able to get what i want, usually its a load of worn out trash thrown together.

    Also, the way the AI advances when im defending usually throws it compeltely out.

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    Wish I knew how to put pictures in posts. I have some mad formations that I still haven't seen anyone post on these boards.

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    I use that technique often. I have my front line (samnites or some other local troops hold as long as possible before they break i move them behind triarii. The moment i do this i set the hastati line to fire at will. As soon as the enemy chases the retreating first line the hastati fills their faces with Pila. its cool to watch the men retreat and the hastati actually make holes for the retreating men and then reform. When the hastati get worn down or get tired i do the same thing. I order them to line up behind the samnites or whatever and set the principe to fire at will as the line moves to the rear. Once again the enemy tries to chase the fleeing hastatin and ends up looking like a pincushion from all the pila being fired. The enemy runs headlong into the princepe which are completely fresh and the enemy is completely exhausted. Most enemies have had enough at this point and head for the hills. If there are any enemies left they are usually shaken or wavering, I will send in my first line again to demoralize them. if that doesnt work then i send in the hastati which have been resting. if that fails I throw the triarii into the fray. And if that doesnt work well...at least i beat up the enemy real good. Ive got some video clips of my battles in my AAR, the puniceus paludamentum. My sig has a link to it.

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    Oh the concern about taking alot of casualties doesnt seem to be a real issue when withdrawing. It seems to take the AI a little bit of time to figure out why the unit is leaving. Just enough time to get most men through. The way i see it is that your going to have alot more deaths if you let them rout. Sometimes one of the four front line units will rout but most of the time they make it safely to the back of the army.

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    I've noticed the same, althought mostly when trying to assasinate mounted enemy general without enough troops to completely surround them and therefore block their movements. Even in cavalry fights it seems if the other unit suddenly makes an about-face and speeds off the other side spends a few moments gathering its wits (and trying to kill stragglers) and thus can't mount an immediate and effective pursuit. I've done that too in horse fights, and it usually works well. Have yet to try it with infantry though.
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    Default Re: Your army Compositions and tactics.



    Medium heavy Epirote stack. Good for just about anything. The Katapeltikai outrange HA so I can use this stack against Armenian and Parthian armies when needed.
    I use a heavy stack too where the four Phalangitai Deuteroi are replaced with Pezhatairoi and the two Pezhatairoi are replaced with Chaeonion Agema.
    The Classical Hoplites are replaced with Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi. The standard Prodromoi with Thrakioi Prodromoi. The Peltastai with Thakioi Peltastai and one Sphendonetai gets replaced with Thessalian Heavy Cavalry or another unit of Thrakioi Prodromoi.

    I use the classical Hammer and Anvil. The Phalangites hold the line while the Cavalry run and charge in the back. The medium cavalry deals with pesky enemy cavalry leaving me free to act against the flanks and rear. They also chase down routed units.
    The Elephants are used for flanking and rear attacks against the strongest enemy infantry once the Prodromoi have dealt with enemy skirmishers.
    Gaps in the line are plugged, either using the Classical Hoplites or the Illyrian Thorakitai. The Agrinians make excellent assault infantry for flanking. Those AP axes really hurt even heavily armored enemy units.
    Peltastai deal with enemy skirmishers well enough. The Thracian variant doubles as very competent assault infantry when needed.
    Slingers can move and give supporting fire from an exposed angle. The Katapeltikai can also use flaming ammo against wavering enemy units.
    Most infantry based armies don't stand a chance. Full or almost full HA stacks require a different approach in open battle. And a different unit composition.

    Standard formation:

    ----------------------Peltastai/TP-----Peltastai/TP-----------------------

    --------------------------Sp-------------Sp-----------------------------

    ------------PD/Pez-PD/Pez-Pez/CA-Pez/CA-PD/Pez-PD/Pez----------------

    Prod/TP---Hop/IT--------------Katapeltikai-----------Hop/IT---Prod/TP---

    Thes/TP---Agr--------------------------------------Agr----GB----EI/EKI-
    Last edited by The Errant; 05-26-2007 at 13:13.

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    Ive been playing a Romani campaign on v.80 recently and my composition of a Camillan Legion is ....

    2x ascensi
    2x Roarii (replaced by Samnites whenever possible)
    or
    2x Leves.(see above)

    4x Hastatii
    4x Principes
    4x Triarii
    2x Equites (or allied medium/heavy cavalry)
    1x General

    my for mation is line up like so


    ----------A--------------A-------------
    --------R------------------R-----------

    E-------H-----H--------H--------H----------E
    T---------P------P---------P------P--------T---
    -------------T------G---------T----------------

    This is my Normal legion. For a cavlary legion i substitute ascensi for Misslie cavalry and Roarii/leves for medium/heavy cavalry.
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    Default My Carthagian Armies

    I´m playing with the Carthagians and I´m currently at war with the Romans on both the Iberian and Italian peninsula and with the Ptolemaioi in Egypt.

    My army compositions are as follows:

    1) Army on the Iberian peninsula:
    1 General
    1 Iberi Lanceari (Iberian Heavy Cav.)
    3 Iberi Curisi (Iberian Medium Cav,)
    3 Iberi Equites Castrati (Iberian Light Cav.)
    4 Scortamareva (Lusotannan Medium Spearmen)
    3 Dorkei Hatkafa Ibeerim (Iberian Assault Infantry)
    2 Balearic Slingers
    3 Cretan Archers

    2) Army on the Italian peninsula
    2 Generals
    5 Liby-Phoenician Heavy Infantry
    3 Elite African (Assault) Infantry (Dorkim Aloopim)
    2 Thrakioi Peltastai (Thracian Medium Skirmishers)
    3 Cretan Archers
    1 Sacred Band Cavalry
    1 Thessalian Heavy Cavalry
    1 Thracian Medium Cavalry
    1 Greek Medium Cavalry
    1 Carthagian Citizen Cavalry

    3) Army in Egypt
    1 General
    1 Sacred Band Cavalry
    2 Carthagian Citizen Cavalry
    2 Greek Medium Cavalry
    5 Anatim Aloopim (Elite African Pikemen)
    3 Dorkim Aloopim (Elite African Infantry)
    3 Numidian (Skirmisher) Cavalry
    3 Cretan Archers

    My 45 settlements are occupied by my cheapest troops, namely Poeni Citizen Militia or Iberi Milites (2-5 units per town, depending on the extent and the discontent of the settlement).

    I´m in the year 215 BC and fought over 200 battles so far… without loosing a single engagement !!!
    Typically, I hold the line in the center with my Spearmen or Pikemen, thining out the enemy with my Archers in the center and my skirmishers on one flank.
    In the accurate moment I attack the flank which is not annoyed by my skirmishers with my assault infantry and, after destroying the enemy´s rear-guarding units with my strong cavalry arm, attack the enemy´s rear concurrently with 500-600 cavalrymen.
    Yesterday I wiped out over 4000 Romans with 1800 men, suffering a mere 126 casualities.

    Best regards,
    Marcel

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