total war 3

[mlc82]

I'm going to second something based around ancient Egypt, Bronze Age: TW or something (Babylonians, Assyrians, Hittites, etc).

I just can't imagine how anything with WWI could be fun, unless you turn it into some awful Company of Heroes type of game with weapon ranges being ridiculously short.

[Enguerrand de Sarnéac]

One about the time of the French-Prussian war, and the Crimean war and other 19th century conflicts. Europe devastaded after the Napoleontic wars, uncountable evolutions in society, also in warfare and tactics. Worldwide, total war... Could be interesting; economic warfare for China and India; America uniting, splitting, uniting again and slowly becoming the great unstoppable (?) war machine of the 20th and 21st century. The Russian Empire in its glory and its struggle; the British Empire in its apparently never ceasing glory on the surface, Prussia as post-Napoleontic war machine...Some minor factions at the start of the game of course.

Factions would be Ottoman Empire, Prussia, France, Greece as an infant state, Victorian Britain, Russian "Arche Seleukeia" Empire, Tokugawa Japan (Meji Reforms! )...

It would start somewhere a few years after Napoleon's Doom at Waterloo, perhaps 1920 or 1930 would be nice...Before Victorian Britain... Awefully lot of economic structures and evoluations of course, this would open doors!
Could end a few years before WW I, still somewhere in the 19th century, perhaps 1901 (Queen Victoria's death if I recall it well)

Concerning unit selection the player would witness the rise of fire armed professional troops, uniformed units (awwww... ) like redcoats or the blue US troops, the decline of horse mounted units (the total disappearance was only in the first World War), beginning with hussars and dragoons after Napoleon, and going through the Prussian reforms of Bismarck and the Kaisers... if one plays as Japan or eastern factions there would be a significant difference in warfare, so one has to be very careful...

Verrry intersting time, just too much to tell...Maybe even just too much to trust the CA...

[alatar]

Nah, WW1 is not a fun bases for a game.
Has to be somthing where you can fight hand to hand.

[Elminster12]

Why not? If your not interested in that time-period, fair enough, but I could say the same thing about Greece total war, in which case we have not accomplished anything. Some of the periods possible I'm not interested in at all, but they would still make great settings for the total war games. I also had another thought, been reading up about the Assyrian wars with Urartu, and that would make an amazing time period for all out war. You just need to read some of inscriptions they made to record their conquests to realize how much damage they did to these regions.

Foot

I love Chinese history....but I almost think TK era is a bit of a trap. If they wanted to truly depict the variety of the Three Kingdoms, they'd have to up the complexity a little. Most certainly, they'd need a decent logistics engine and a very careful portrayal of how vital the Chang Jiang was to Wu. Otherwise, Wei will just steamroll both of the southern kingdoms. It also doesn't help that many of the nomadic peoples on the border(like the Xiong Nu) weren't in great shape either. I think Warring States would be better, as much as I love TK. China as we know it wasn't even "China" yet.....if they did some research, they could....well, that settles it, they're going TK!

But yeah....China has 4,000 years of history and spent at least half of it in civil war, I'd wager. Good setting.....

Edit: Oh, they'd absolutely need to have an actual naval battle system. It would be absolutely criminal to NOT have Chi Bi under historical battles because they were too lazy to bite the bullet and do it...

[kalkwerk]

Most important for me would be a total war game with less war. Ive played so many battles now that im gettin negative traits from it.

[Redmeth]

Exactly, like kalkwerk said I believe battles in the game should be rarer and more decisive or have more of an impact on the AI, I believe elites should take 2 turns to make, why was that changed, AI not using them? The computer shrugs off crushing defeats as if it were nothing, but if I lose an army I'll probably lose a few cities.
Excuse me, but my Sauromatae campaing against an AS that was victorious over the Ptolies and Baktria is getting to me... Too many battles...

[-Praetor-]

the decline of horse mounted units (the total disappearance was only in the first World War)

That`s not entirely true...

In WW2 there were a lot of mounted infantry divisions, in the russian side and in the german as well, even in the french army.

They were not so scarce as one may think.

Cheers!

[Enguerrand de Sarnéac]

As the first World War evoluated to a static war (in trenches and fortress lines) horses were less used for military objectives weren't they? After the lines for infrastructural duties and so; and perhaps in the second World War too. I do remember the last charge of the Polish lancers on the German tanks (if it's not entirely an urban legend), but were cavalry units used in any significant numbers on the battlefields after '18?

Ah yeah...the Russians...

[tynnmahn]

or How about something set around the time of the Hebrew conquest of Canaan. That'd be cool

[mAIOR]

I'd love a WWII total war... It would be awsome :)


Cheers...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

If anyone has "Total War Eras", there is a bonus DVD included with it. On it the head of Creative Assembly explains how and why they chose the eras that they did for Total War games. He says something about needing "many factions vying for power" and "change in technology" for them to choose and era.

Just a hint to what might be in the future for Total War, based on their opinions of good time periods.

[LordCurlyton]

And so WWI: Total War is a good choice (don't even try to sya that tech didn't change the way war was fought pre- and post-), as well as Egypt: Total War is you make the timespan long enough (bronze Age to Iron Age, adoption of chariots, etc).

[Rilder]

As long as it can be modded to be in the time frame of RTW, and isn't full of Asian stuff. (Not to sound racist I just don't like asian stuff)

[-Praetor-]

Answering to Enguerrand de Sarnéac, concerning the cavalry (off-topic):

I do remember the last charge of the Polish lancers on the German tanks (if it's not entirely an urban legend), but were cavalry units used in any significant numbers on the battlefields after '18?

Ah yeah...the Russians...

Well, firstly the russians. Make no mistake about it, they were well known for human wave assaults against entrentched positions following the best traditions of WW1. That kind of tactics were employed, not in few times, with cavalry regiments and entire mounted divisions at a time. Those divisions were formed of mogolic and asian contingents, strongly attached to life on horse. There`s no need to state the horrendous calamities that followed a cavalry charge against an entrentched position of a comparatively tiny enemy force, well equiped with the simples of the machineguns.

The Polish had an even more organized sistem of cavalry divisions. There was 30 cavalry regiments (10 divisions) and 10 mounted chasseurs regiments (divisionary cavalry).

The germans made extensive use of horses during the entire war, and even made some cavalry divisions even during the Reichswehr period (1919-1933).

For instance, of the 100.000 men contingent permitted for the Reichswehr, 16% belonged to cavalry units.

All that said, not counting all the hippo-movile artillery regiments, and logistical lines based on horse traction.

A couple of pages about German and Polish cavalry divisions (alas, they`re in spanish):

http://www.militar.org.ua/militar/_a...M-cab_pol.html
http://www.militar.org.ua/militar/_a...-cab_alem.html

Cheers!

PS: Sorry for the off-topic.

[CountArach]

I don't care when it is, because regardless of when it is, CA will butcher it. :P

As long as it is moddable and the AI/Diplomacy is above average, then I will be happy.

[mlc82]

And so WWI: Total War is a good choice (don't even try to sya that tech didn't change the way war was fought pre- and post-), as well as Egypt: Total War is you make the timespan long enough (bronze Age to Iron Age, adoption of chariots, etc).

I just can't see how the TW engine could possibly handle 20th century rifles, machine guns, aircraft, and etc in a way that would avoid being ridiculous (Company of Heroes style clickfest, soldiers with life bars, etc). An engine made to handle ancient and medieval era hand to hand combat couldn't hope to have a chance modelling weapons with ranges that would sometimes reach all the way across the map.

Unless you wanted to make it truly silly and give different branches of units special powers Command and Conquer style (ie, "sappers" who have a special attack of demo charges, gimmicky snipers, and etc) you'd really just be stuck with the basic rifle armed infantry , machine guns, tanks, cavalry to be slaughtered, and the occasional aircraft which wouldn't fit the game system at all.

[kalkwerk]

If you want a good WW2 game: HoI 2 DD stony road.

I cant imagine total war games beyond the napoleonic wars, really. The concept of battles is quite another in later wars.

[alatar]

My dream is a game with the Total war battle map, like HOI only fully 3d with every unit there.
Then a Mod for it that covers the entire history of man with emerging factions, and such going on to the future.

It will never happen but it would be great

I mean imagine having your watch tower notice a aroching enemy army, and you despratly open the city menu and build a wall watching them get closer and closer

Or entiring a battle hopeing to hold them off long enough for your main army to arrive.

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CA should leave the graphics as they are and focus on AI, diplomacy and, if there's time left, naval battles.

If they did that i wouldn't care what era it was
Sadly, it's not going to happen

[alatar]

Actually have faith, in 20 years game graphics will be a good as there ever going to get and then they'll have to work on the ai.

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Actually have faith, in 20 years game graphics will be a good as there ever going to get and then they'll have to work on the ai.

YES!!!

only 20 more years to wait!!!

oh, wait...

[alatar]

Hey cheer up, it will be there eventually

Seriously once graphics is no longer a selling point, gameplay will at last return to the most important thing.
BTW it mught not be 20 years, I mean look at games 10 years ago compared to now, maybe it will only be 19 years

[Orb]

Raso, if you do not change that sig, I will send naked 2HP barbarian loonies to your house.

[NeoSpartan]

Ok I like a lot of the proposals BUT we don't need no RTW2!

Come one fellas..... think...

EB=RTW2, and EB2=RTW3

If you think I am wrong, play vanilla RTW and you will see what I mean......

[Will_YouFight_ForME]

ha ha very funny

but EB can never be RTW2 because it cant get passed the 'HARDCODED issues'

[NeoSpartan]

ha ha very funny

but EB can never be RTW2 because it cant get passed the 'HARDCODED issues'

I have 2 questions for you:
1-Have you played vanilla RTW recently?
2-Have you played it for longer than 6hrs?

I am not Bashing CA. It know it may seem like it but I am not. You see, the level of game detail, history, descritions, character traits, factional and regional MIC's, etc.... Dude... its insane the depth to which the EB team has taken RTW to.

Seriously, run RTW.exe play with the Juliaii (sp) faction. Read the building and unit descriptions, fight the Gauls, play some huge battles. See the development of your characters. And recruit a Legionary Cohort by 250 BC in central Gaul.

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See the development of your characters. And recruit a Legionary Cohort by 250 BC in central Gaul.

screw the legionaries, get some pigs, dogs and ninjas instead!

[CaesarAugustus]

And then travel to the steppes to fight some Yubsteb elephants!

[Boyar Son]

And then travel to the steppes to fight some Yubsteb elephants!

GASP!! you've seen them? what do they look like? I tried to find them but my RTW is broken.

Can you post a pic?? PLZZZZZ!!!!

[-Praetor-]

Raso, if you do not change that sig, I will send naked 2HP barbarian loonies to your house.

You`re such a nagger...