Latest update on 1.2 patch from Sega/CA

[Odin]

We're talking about a computer game here. A fun but trivial bit of kit designed to help you waste a few hours of downtime. It's not like someone sold you a car with faulty brakes or an life insurance policy that didn't cover you properly. If that were the case, some of the rants I've read recently would be justified.

I agree with your overall sentiment that in the larger scope of life this game is really trivial, and that the gripes here are mostly from hardcore players, on that I concede. However comments like the one about the car brakes are very telling and apart of the larger problem.

Like it or not your rationalizing the fact that the game was infact released with problems. By your own example, what would you do if you had recieved the car like that? List the problem on a bug forum and link your fix in your signature?

As it is, withdraw your hard-earned cash from CA's future sales pipeline, if you like. Boycott SEGA. Write letters to your MP, Senator or village elder. Rant furiously to the likeminded about how the whole world's gone to hell in a handcart because shields in M2TW are bugged and the pathfinding doesn't always work.

Sarcasm lessens your position considerably. No one has suggested that this has a major impact on the world as a whole, but since this is a fan site for the game critisism here is appropriate. Minimalizing the valid arguments on an appropriate site do little to validate your own position, IMHO.

But please realise that employees of CA probably don't care as much as you do.

We realise this.

Sure, they prefer to have happy campers in consumerville but, for the most part, they do. Some people are pissed off but they're few in number. Confronted by all the real issues of daily life (relationships, illness, stress, etc.), passive AI may not seem such a big deal.

again no one is suggesting that this is the end of the world. This is a fansite of the totalwar series and an appropriate place to discuss the total war games and thier impact on the forum members who chose to participate.

Continual comparissons to life events of larger scopes underlines the weakness of your argument. Of course this dosent compare to

(relationships, illness, stress, etc.)

but the Org isnt dedicated to those realities now is it?

[Durallan]

I agree with your overall sentiment that in the larger scope of life this game is really trivial, and that the gripes here are mostly from hardcore players, on that I concede. However comments like the one about the car brakes are very telling and apart of the larger problem.

Like it or not your rationalizing the fact that the game was infact released with problems. By your own example, what would you do if you had recieved the car like that? List the problem on a bug forum and link your fix in your signature?





Sarcasm lessens your position considerably. No one has suggested that this has a major impact on the world as a whole, but since this is a fan site for the game critisism here is appropriate. Minimalizing the valid arguments on an appropriate site do little to validate your own position, IMHO.



We realise this.



again no one is suggesting that this is the end of the world. This is a fansite of the totalwar series and an appropriate place to discuss the total war games and thier impact on the forum members who chose to participate.

Continual comparissons to life events of larger scopes underlines the weakness of your argument. Of course this dosent compare to but the Org isnt dedicated to those realities now is it?

This thread is more about the actual patch and its upcomingness than to continually complain about the state the game was released in yadda yadda yadda, if someone could make a topic like that and then sticky so everyone can complain rant and other things in it, it would be appreciated.

and yes I know everyone has a right to be angry and annoyed but I'm more interested in news of the patch, and people keep complaining about the patch, the delays and the bugginess of the game which this post isn't for, no I'm not trying to self moderate but Its just wearing a little thin, we know yer annoyed and you have eeeeevery right in the world to be annoyed at the state of the game, but you don't need to keep telling us. Which is why a topic where you can all get aggro to your hearts content would be great, because it would unclutter this post and then I could actually read for news on the update (no offense to anyone ok? :))

[Odin]

This thread is more about the actual patch and its upcomingness than to continually complain about the state the game was released in yadda yadda yadda, if someone could make a topic like that and then sticky so everyone can complain rant and other things in it, it would be appreciated.

Since you quoted me I will repsond in kind.

There is a PM feature and reporting feature you can use Durallan to ask for this more formally. The mods will reply to you, and if they deem the post innappropriate will correct it in thier own manner via PM or a posted remark as to how to proceed further, which smart forum members will abide.

You also have the option of not reading posts by simply moving to the next one that is relevant to your desire. Because you percieve a thread to be "more about" something dosent mean that the other posts arent relevant or valid.

Basically, no one is forcing you to read these posts Durallan, you choose to.

[Durallan]

Since you quoted me I will repsond in kind.

There is a PM feature and reporting feature you can use Durallan to ask for this more formally. The mods will reply to you, and if they deem the post innappropriate will correct it in thier own manner via PM or a posted remark as to how to proceed further, which smart forum members will abide.

You also have the option of not reading posts by simply moving to the next one that is relevant to your desire. Because you percieve a thread to be "more about" something dosent mean that the other posts arent relevant or valid.

Basically, no one is forcing you to read these posts Durallan, you choose to.

This is relevant to my desire, Topic Title: Latest update on 1.2 patch from Sega/CA

Yes I can ask for it more formally but I thought a nice unformal post would be better. I don't just mean you either I mean alot of people ahve been posting about the delays etc, anyway Yes one does have he option of not reading posts but seeing they go in a logical progression from the top of the page to the bottom you normally read them all....

I didn't say they wern't relevant or valid I just think a seperate post where you can express your frustrations to your hearts content would be more appropriate and also would be in one location so instead of telling SEGA/CA to look at all these seperate pages in topics, you can just tell them to look at the one topic. (if anyone is actually going to do so)

Oh and thanks for being so polite to me Odin.

EDIT:

Just to remind everyone, we're here to discuss the patch, not our opinions of CA's business practices

[Odin]

This is relevant to my desire, Topic Title: Latest update on 1.2 patch from Sega/CA

Yes I can ask for it more formally but I thought a nice unformal post would be better. I don't just mean you either I mean alot of people ahve been posting about the delays etc, anyway Yes one does have he option of not reading posts but seeing they go in a logical progression from the top of the page to the bottom you normally read them all....

I didn't say they wern't relevant or valid I just think a seperate post where you can express your frustrations to your hearts content would be more appropriate and also would be in one location so instead of telling SEGA/CA to look at all these seperate pages in topics, you can just tell them to look at the one topic. (if anyone is actually going to do so)

Oh and thanks for being so polite to me Odin.

EDIT:

So you are correct, I didnt see Sapi's original post. I dont know if the others did but I wont post any more on thier business practices in this thread.

Thanks for posting that, i truly did miss it.

[diotavelli]

Odin,

Thanks for your reply. A couple of points though:

1. Yes, I'm rationalising the fact that the game was released with problems. I'm doing so because a) it's only a game and b) most new products in the world are released imperfect. I know this because I've project-managed a few releases myself and I've bought new houses and cars before.

2. If I bought a car with faulty brakes, I'd take it back to the showroom and demand it were fixed or replaced because it would kill me otherwise. That would be a serious problem (IMO, at least). However, when I bought a new house that had some problems, I fixed them myself and got on with my life. I could have called the builders/developers and demanded the work be done and paid for me but I realised that would take longer and was unnecessary. The same applies with the game: provide your own fix or wait for the official one - it's no big deal.

3. I realise this is a fan site and that therefore it is an appropriate context for criticism - I never suggested otherwise. My point was that people seemed to lack perspective. Sure it's fair to criticise the game but to leap to conclusions about the way a company is run and about their attitude to their customers on the flimsiest of evidence is daft.

4. Apologies if my sarcasm upset you. I fail to see how it "lessens [my] position considerably" - my points are either valid or not but you're entitled to you opinion. I didn't attempt to minimalise (arguably) valid arguments but simply to demonstrate that the seriousness of those arguments were not of the magnitude some people seem to believe, IMO.

5. Who is the "we" who realise that CA don't care as much as you do? A royal 'we' or can you speak for all 19,500+ members of this forum?

6. You try to suggest that my argument is weak because I compare M2TW bug issues with major, real life issues - but that is my point, that is my argument. As I said above, I do not for one second believe that The Guild is not an appropriate place for discussions on this issue. I believe, however, that those discussions would be more efficacious if undertaken with greater perspective.

7. The .Org is not dedicated to CA's business practices or policy. Other people (who happen to share your overalll POV) have commented on these and you haven't seen the need to censure them. You have commented on the culture in which computer games are released these days and the role of gaming magazines; again, the .Org is not dedicated these either? That being the case, why should I not bring in other non-TW issues to the discussion? Because you disagree with my position?

My point remains the same: many people now feel the game is so bugged it should not have been released; I believe many of these people only feel this way because they've made aware of bugs they'd never have discovered themselves. Discussions of bugs and CA's response to them have been inclined to the hysterical. I suggested therefore that a little perspective would be useful.

We have no way of knowing if CA believed the game was bugged when they released it (so far as I'm aware - forgive me if I'm wrong) and no way of knowing if they could have released effective patches sooner than they did. Arguments to the contrary are plain wrong. Leaping from such arguments to condemnations of CA, the whole games industry or anything else are therefore without foundation.