chariots.??

**jimmy** · 04-13-2007, 18:11

i hate them especially with cavalry. are they a wind up or is there a mod out there or file discription i can edit[which and how??] just to make them more realistic.?? they were never that good in real warfare so why in this game.

do they wind anybody else up because they certainly do my head in especially watching my general vanish in a blink of an eye..

**LuckyDog Trojan** · 04-13-2007, 18:46

What faction are you playing - and what chariot based faction is giving you the fits?

**Xehh II** · 04-13-2007, 19:21

I have the exact opposite of your problem, I find my chariots too weak(of course I am playing the Britons)but even against other barbarians I find them to weak.

**rvg** · 04-13-2007, 20:17

Originally Posted by jimmy

i hate them especially with cavalry. are they a wind up or is there a mod out there or file discription i can edit[which and how??] just to make them more realistic.?? they were never that good in real warfare so why in this game.

do they wind anybody else up because they certainly do my head in especially watching my general vanish in a blink of an eye..

Chariots slaughter horses as they are supposed to. They also evaporate on contact in a head-on collision with a phalanx (as they are supposed to). IMHO, they are very well balanced.

**jimmy** · 04-13-2007, 21:34

Originally Posted by rvg

Chariots slaughter horses as they are supposed to. They also evaporate on contact in a head-on collision with a phalanx (as they are supposed to). IMHO, they are very well balanced.

better play with the greeks then. my gripe is they seem to overly powerfull against most units except phalanxes.

**paul_kiss** · 04-13-2007, 21:40

Tried to use chariots when played for Egypt and came to the conclusion they're totally useless.

**YENKO** · 04-13-2007, 21:55

Don't mod the chariots. They may be a major PITA now, but later, they are just a little nuissance. You can counter them with mass archers (fire arrows do wonders), or some heavier javelin infantry, like the velites or the auxilia after the Reforms. You can lay traps for them since they use a known patytern, they always try to flank you, usually from your left side. Position yourself where you have a forest on your left side, and hide some units in the forest (the Arcani lol). Conquer some more southern province and then hire mercenary Hoplites and watch those chariots getting crushed by your phalanxes. Try the wardogs. They are expendable and could keep the chariots busy long enough for you to dispatch the rest of the enemy army. Then you can proceed to kill them. I noticed that the chariots would not gladly charge on me if i have several Hoplite units. When i am dealing with an army that uses chariots, my phalanxes are always alert and on the move: i am constantly shifting them around to present their rows of pikes toward the chariots. Then they dont stand a chance. And i never ever allow my general to deal with chariots. His only purpose is to keep the morale high and to chase routed enemy units.
Tge AI never uses mass chariots (okok, the 'Amazons' do lol) so your 20-stack army is more than capable to deal with them

Y.

**Whacker** · 04-13-2007, 22:17

Never fight chariots on the open battlescape if you can avoid it. Always attack them in cities. Massed blobs of heavy infantry in those thin city streets will mulch chariots very quickly and easily. Any kind of horses vs. chariots will get eaten alive pretty quickly, so keep your cav away from chariots at all costs. I've had routing chariots kill my completely fresh and experienced generals before.

**guineawolf** · 04-13-2007, 22:37

Originally Posted by paul_kiss

Tried to use chariots when played for Egypt and came to the conclusion they're totally useless.

yeah! same to me,except chariot archers,their missile are very strong,but their upkeep also high......

**Celt Centurion** · 04-14-2007, 07:41

Maybe I'm just doing this wrong, but I tend to attack chariots shooting arrows with light cavalry. Yes, they produce casualties among my cavalry, but far fewer than if allowed to pepper my infantry with arrows. I notice that while an Egyptian army may have several units of chariots, they are rarely close together. 3 or 4 units of light cavalry cut them up rather quickly. On the other hand, Scyth Chariots (heavy cavalry) will cut up the light cavalry. If you have missile cavalry of some sort, send them against the bladed chariots. Yes, there will be casualties, but chariots do not come sacrifice themselves on my phalanxes very often. Last night, one unit of camel archers held off three units of Scyth chariots. He could have done more if not for running out of arrows.

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