Counter-Racism
Got this email fowarded to me, Enjoyed it throughly. I live in an area with a large amount of blacks, and being called a "racist" after being called a "cracker" every five minutes really starts to lose its ironic comedy fast. In my opinion, either drop the subject of race from everything, or allow the equal opportunity for all races to be proud.
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The originator of this e-mail is racist.
Or more accurately just a generalizing h- never mind. See, if the BET's all black people's fault -- even though I sort of half-sure that there might be just as well a few people there on its Chamber of Commerce with skin tones of less than ebony -- then surely the slavery and the KKK is, omg, white people's fault! Because!
I could go on and on about how people nowadays criticize "blacks" of being a bunch of lame gangstas responsible for the infestation of the w- (never mind) in suburban communities while forgetting that many cultural and musical movements -- especially some that are considered distinctively American, like Jazz or even Rock&Roll, originate from, you know, them.
Last edited by AntiochusIII; 04-14-2007 at 21:35.
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None of your post regards the topic of the thread, congrats.
The topic is the issue that whatever blacks say regarding their own racial pride is considered fine, and encouraged. Yet if a white person has pride for his race: "Omg hes a nazi!"
Last edited by John86; 04-14-2007 at 21:43.
"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -Ronald Reagan
"It's somewhat ironic that closing spam threads increases my postcount"
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Most ridiculous email ever.
Blacks have a history month? Whites have the other 11. Whine whine.
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Yes indeed, 11 months out of the year Blacks enjoy none of the things normal Americans enjoy, right?Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -Ronald Reagan
"It's somewhat ironic that closing spam threads increases my postcount"
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They had this thing about being oppressed for twelve generations straight to get over. Give them time, say, is two generations too much? In any case, statistics gathered by various sources, especially the government (which, you know, could as well be the NAACP's puppets, muppets that they are) shows a strong discrepancy in terms of the average black person's resources and social/economic status compare to their white counterparts. Unless you are subscribing to some social darwinist tripe (which of course you aren't, I'm using "you" in general, conversational terms), this is likely a social factor and not a race one.
Measures that are being taken to help level the discrepancy -- preferably by raising those of the minorities, of course, not to lower the already agitated whites -- have regrettably recognizable side effects that are worth dealing with, argue about, and be noticed against the ramblings of Al Sharpton and Reverend Jesse Jackson...but not with just another sort of racist statement "damn you annoying blacks you really suck look at the hypocrisy!"
And I personally don't find many black people in real life to take the whole "evil whites oppress us still" seriously any more, even. Then again I'm in Las Vegas, and the Sin City is very well mixed ethnically. Interracial tension here is virtually a non-issue. Perhaps it's worse in, say, Atlanta...?
Last edited by AntiochusIII; 04-14-2007 at 21:51.
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See the "hispanics world war 2 documentary" thread. Minorities have been traditionally left out of the history books. Why should that not be redressed?
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Segregating minorities more through affirmative action helps, your right.
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"It's somewhat ironic that closing spam threads increases my postcount"
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The majority of the country is white, and regardless of the economic status of the black community, the majority of those with less economic resources are white. College funds, etc... only for blacks seek to balance out the scale, yet the majority of the poor are still white, due to the considerably smaller population of blacks to whites.
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"It's somewhat ironic that closing spam threads increases my postcount"
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Actually, Affirmative Action tries to desegregate minorities. They put you through colleges where otherwise only whites get in and all that, you know (and not necessarily because that they're white, but rather because only they can pay the price tag). Or jobs. You know. I posted a link only a day ago or so in another thread about "the first black guy in comics'" experience in the industry. A not altogether rosy story by the way.
Me, I actually think I have something to lose from AA, since data indicates that the Asian group (a very peculiar grouping, by the way, few "Asian Americans" identify themselves as such, but rather by their or their parents' former nationality) gets a lot more place in the college admission when Affirmative Action weakens in Cali. But it's a small price to pay for Social Justice(tm)!
That and I'm getting sick about how all the people seems to find it very very offensive that the blacks get advantage and nobody actually remembers what was being done prior to the 60's social revolution anymore; so I'm becoming increasingly contrarian despite me being pretty "raceless" in attitude before. Then again, may be it's just the where-I-spend-my-time thing and I'm not hip enough to know what black people say nowadays.
Edit:
Ya sure?
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WARNING: Contains quoted objectionable language. - KukriKhan
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I completely agree. One black coworker said I could either be called by the name of "boy" or "cracker". I just pointed the name tag on my shirt.
If I would have even muttered any slight racial slur, I wouldn't have a job right now.
Last edited by KukriKhan; 04-15-2007 at 04:10.
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It must be rather nice, because I still come in contact with that from time to time.
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Now, they give university spots to people who have not earned them through hard work or grades, but because of the color of their skin. Race discrimination. And it doesn't help when you're placed into a program that's higher than your ability because of your skin color.
No, all Americans have the other 11. I hate stupid things like this that focus on race and divide Americans by race. It's like saying blacks aren't really americans - that they're separate, distinct. How does that help integration? Why not celebrate the contributions of all Americans all year?Most ridiculous email ever.
Blacks have a history month? Whites have the other 11. Whine whine.
CR
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Now that is a racist statement.
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I dont think that your race should even be a question on Government papers. If we really want equal oportunity without regard to race it shouldnt matter what you are except an american.
Theres plenty of grants and schoarships available. And theres plenty of poor whites as well, many more than there are poor blacks. If theres limited space the best qualified should get them. Then again theres always Junior colleges.Actually, Affirmative Action tries to desegregate minorities. They put you through colleges where otherwise only whites get in and all that, you know (and not necessarily because that they're white, but rather because only they can pay the price tag).
So how is it OK to discriminate against somene because there white but not if their black?
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Well, whether right or wrong, the reason for all this is simple. Our white "race" ruled the entire world for a couple of centuries. Or rather, we oppressed the entire world for a couple of centuries. Only europeans have managed that yet.
Another reason, is that the oppression didn't stop a long time ago. South Africa was only a little more than a decade ago. In other countries, like the US you're referring to laws against non-white people ended only some 30 years ago. What is most important here, is that the feelings and attitudes who created those laws still exist. There are still a lot of racists who don't hire anyone but white people.
Because of that, sadly, we need these things.
Put very simply, because we discriminated them into the ground, and we need some discrimination to create a balance.So how is it OK to discriminate against somene because there white but not if their black?
Last edited by HoreTore; 04-14-2007 at 23:35.
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So you guys honestly think that, on balance, at the moment it's better to be black in the US?
Because if not, it seems a little silly to be griping about this.
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There is no such thing as counter racism with racism. Affirmative Action was not a harmful racist policy - it was simply an attempt to address racist policies of the past and make an attempt at a correction. Did it work? To a degree it has, however American's being a short term gain people will not allow the correction to continue.
Now the current trend toward racist behavior by many distrubs me. Gangester rappers are just as racist as the complaint of the system that they are protesting in their music.
Imus was a perfect examble of the double standard of racism that has developed in the United States because of political correctness. If a black man calls another black man a foul degrading name for blacks, is he not the same un-educated ignorant racist as the white man.
I once had a state trooper call me "boy" while he was writing me a ticket. I politely informed him that writing a speeding ticket did not entitle him to degrade me as a human being. Edit: There is a sutle lesson in that for any who have experienced a racial or degrading slur directed at them from another. To bad many will miss it.
Last edited by Redleg; 04-15-2007 at 01:42.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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No, I really don't think it's silly to be griping. I don't really appreciate being called a cracker at work, and it being not nearly as bad as me calling him a racial slur back.
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The point of such things such as AA is an attempt to desegregate, but in fact it only segregates more. Read "Race and Economics" by Thomas Sowell, or any of his other writings. He is black, and a huge critic of AA.
And as I said, there is still more poor whites than blacks, considering the majority of the population is white not black.
"Blacks were not enslaved because they were black but because they were available. Slavery has existed in the world for thousands of years. Whites enslaved other whites in Europe for centuries before the first black was brought to the Western hemisphere. Asians enslaved Europeans. Asians enslaved other Asians. Africans enslaved other Africans, and indeed even today in North Africa, blacks continue to enslave blacks." -Thomas SowellPut very simply, because we discriminated them into the ground, and we need some discrimination to create a balance.
How so? Do I really need to put the /sarcasm after the statement to clarify?Originally Posted by the tokai
Now that is a racist statement.
"What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are wormeaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!" -Frederick Douglass
I understand where your coming from Ice. On multiple occasions i've heard black students call a teacher the N word and get nothing from it.
Ya, Im sure.Ya sure?
Last edited by John86; 04-15-2007 at 01:13.
"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -Ronald Reagan
"It's somewhat ironic that closing spam threads increases my postcount"
-Ser Clegane
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double post delete
Last edited by John86; 04-15-2007 at 00:54.
"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -Ronald Reagan
"It's somewhat ironic that closing spam threads increases my postcount"
-Ser Clegane
Re: Counter-Racism
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Or so I've heard.
CR
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The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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I do not believe that affirmative action is a terribly useful tool. It confirms the victim status in some of the minority and antagonises the more ignorant of the majority. Positive discrimination is still discrimination and as such institutionalises an emphasis on difference.
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That line always makes me laugh , poor little boo-hoo victims .Why is it that only whites can be racists?
What sort of muppet would ever use that line ?
what sort of person would not only use it but actually believe it ?
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Maybe someone who lives in the USA. Do you live in the USA, or have you for extended periods of time?What sort of muppet would ever use that line ?
what sort of inbecile would not only use it but actually believe it ?
CR
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