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    Default Re: The looting of Iraq continues apace

    Currently the choice is: items out of context or rubble.

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    Looting is part of the spoils of every war. This war is no different. With all the facade of civillisation and ethical ideology, the warring factions are no different than any other in history.

    Something should be done about it, but I'm sure with Iraq Total Chaos going on the coalition has got their hands full. So there is a valid excuse !!! (joke)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
    Any argument that places oneself as one option is pointless. People value themselves far higher than most things.
    And maybe they're right.


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    If the world allows the argument: "I am an educated and respected archeologist from Europe, so I will take these objects so that they don't get broken."

    How is that different from: "I am an educated and respected oilman from Texas, so I will take this oil so that it isn't wasted." ?
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    Default Re: The looting of Iraq continues apace

    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    If the world allows the argument: "I am an educated and respected archeologist from Europe, so I will take these objects so that they don't get broken."

    How is that different from: "I am an educated and respected oilman from Texas, so I will take this oil so that it isn't wasted." ?
    I guess because the esteemed Texan is unlikely to conserve the removed oil in an accessible museum, researched and available to all visitors for generations to come and with the possibility of repatriating the oil when the donor country settles down.*

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    Point taken. But what is indisputeable is that the resource(s) "under the soil" belong to the inhabitants, and they ought not be taken, whether for the alleged good of mankind overall, or the enrichment of the taker, without the inhabitants' consent.

    As Sinan points out above, a conqueror may be able to lay claim to war-booty - but are we conquerors?
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    So better destroyed by the locals than taken and looked after elsewhere?

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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    Default Re: The looting of Iraq continues apace

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
    So better destroyed by the locals than taken and looked after elsewhere?
    A lot of stuff is being destroyed by the guys that take it away. Not really much different than excavating Egyptian tombs with dynamite, then selling off any surviving loot.
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    In Archaeological excavations the method of extraction is key.
    Well bugger me sideways and call me shirley , The Gibbon has a point , a rather relevant point , in fact it might be described as the most relevant point that a relevant pointy person (on a particularly good pointy day) could possiblly come up with .

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