Results 1 to 30 of 585

Thread: Celtic overpowered!

Threaded View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #11

    Default Re: Celtic overpowered!

    It seems to me that source-wise we have no variety by circumstance and as such, Frostwulf's position is entirely justified (obviously not without much effort) and he indeed uses the primary and secondary sources available, further proving legitimacy to his effort.

    On the other hand, no evidence has been provided for a counterargument, the simple logic of "the Celts didn't get invaded earlier, so they must have been strong" is really all that is being said and has ABSOLUTELY 0% evidence to it.

    The bottom line is put up or shut up as the phrase goes, if there is evidence to counter Frostwulf's theory, then provide the citation... I do not have such, so I remain quiet, in fact I can only agree with the overwhelming evidence whether it is actually out of context or not- IT'S EVIDENCE! As Frostwulf mentioned, if we're not using those scholarly and scientific resources that define the academic field in relation to this subject matter, what the hell else we talking about? Just because history went a certain way that does not provide any semblence of a legitimate argument.

    So here is the challenge people, where is your evidence that the Germans were weak? Archaeological record? ha! We know they used clubs to great effect as seen on Trajan's column and accounts of their use in service of Rome. One could say the material culture of hill-forts show a continuation of Celtic culture but really that only means they weren't changed and has no bearing on the argument of success in battle outside of the hillfort. I'm sure the fortified cities in Pannonia would look the same despite dominance of the environs by roaming Huns. So where is this specific reference to Germans being inferior? is it scholarly? cite it! simply because of the Celts' technology? the Romans were inferior in that sense and borrowed from Celts and Iberians, but that does not reinforce any argument to their lack in success or quality.

    it seems to me, with "master race" bs being thrown all around, some people are Celto-centric whether because of ethnic bias or basic adoration of such a great culture, but that again is 0% evidence toward anything... instead of telling Frostwulf to get lost and read more when obviously he has read more than the people who AREN'T citing, maybe you guys should pull out a book for a change and use some evidence. commentary in an effort to devalue evidence isn't evidence either.
    Last edited by blitzkrieg80; 09-13-2007 at 18:36.
    HWÆT !
    “Vesall ertu þinnar skjaldborgar!” “Your shieldwall is pathetic!” -Bǫðvar Bjarki [Hrólfs Saga Kraka]
    “Wyrd oft nereð unfǽgne eorl þonne his ellen déah.” “The course of events often saves the un-fey warrior if his valour is good.” -Bēowulf
    “Gørið eigi hárit í blóði.” “Do not get blood on [my] hair.” -Sigurð Búason to his executioner [Óláfs Saga Tryggvasonar: Heimskringla]

    Wes þū hāl ! Be whole (with luck)!

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO