Celtic overpowered!

[SaFe]

Very cheap, if you don't like to be educated just don't read it.
Although i'm not agreeing with Frostwulf on every aspect he quotes respected authors and you give us a lame picture as input...

[blitzkrieg80]

See how SaFe quoted? That's how it's done!!

We don't need quoted picture spam, thank you!

Want to talk about Overpowered Celts? The Alpine Phalanx is awesome, 1400 cost and you get a pretty damn good unit with 9 armor! This is actually already discussed to be corrected (less armor) in 1.1 but I must say, I had a hard time wanting to build any other phalanx with that unit being sooo nice.

The Alpine swordsmen are nicely priced also!! I won't say they're overpowered, because you can figure it out, with 1100 cost and high stats but I don't want them to be changed! You know, it seems like the whole Alpine area just has nice units History rules!

[NeoSpartan]

Sorry if I went out of hand with that pic really....but I like it and I could not resist using it one more time ....

but like I said in the Sweboz underpowered... I have yet to play this on Costume battles to test it, as well as on MP, so I can't pass judgement.


Oh yes those alpine guys are awesome... nice infantry, with decently good stats, and at a reasonable price. I am also digging the celts to the East close to the Balkans (sp), oh and the gaesatae-wannabees too.

Its a shame i STILL am on midterms I haven't been able to play in the past week

[Maksimus]

Sorry for making this topic 'up in the front line again' -
But, are there any special motive for using one very powerfull attribute in EB only for 'some' units?
To be more specific

Why is COMMAND attribute used in 'export_descr_unit.txt' refering only to Celts - let me note: Casse - Britania?

Like;

Cidainh (celtic chariot cidainh bodyguards, celtic chariot cidainh), = britons, slave

Calawre (celtic infantry calawre), = britons, slave

Carnute Cingetos (celtic infantry carnute cingetos), = gauls, slave

Cwmyr (celtic infantry cwmyr), = gauls, britons, scythia, slave

Kluddargos (celtic infantry kluddargos) = britons, slave, gauls, scythia

Rycalawre (celtic infantry rycalawre) = britons, slave

Drwdae (celtic infantry drwdae) = gauls, scythia, britons, slave

Lugian Swordsmen (celtic infantry lugian) = britons, slave, gauls, scythia, germans, dacia

Is this a bug or a command issue?? How did EB team reached a point to OK this? Because all EB members are calling and quoting and explaining that everything is 'history-based' - now this?
Realy, I was just trying to add HP 2 for general_unit to see how it would work with EB 1 - and I found that no Legion has this? Am I wrong? If I am - then sorry..
I would not like to belive that someone is actually 'giving' some nice attributes to 'some' units just because they are - Casse or Celtic? No?

Well if not, I would realy like to know why are those units above so speciall..

Thank you!

[QwertyMIDX]

It's mostly used for the Casse to simulate their style of fighting, which was based around small groups of 'Champions' who inspired nearby more run of the mill soldiers to hold out a bit longer. The command attribute just gives a small morale bonus to troops around that unit. If you look at your list you'll notice that only the Carnute Cingetos (who are druids effectively hence their morale boosting attribute) and the Lugian Swordsmen aren't troops from the British Isles.

[Maksimus]

It's mostly used for the Casse to simulate their style of fighting, which was based around small groups of 'Champions' who inspired nearby more run of the mill soldiers to hold out a bit longer. The command attribute just gives a small morale bonus to troops around that unit. If you look at your list you'll notice that only the Carnute Cingetos (who are druids effectively hence their morale boosting attribute) and the Lugian Swordsmen aren't troops from the British Isles.

Thank you for this response, I understand what you are trying to say ...

Still, it does not calms me , I mod my RTW, I know how powerfull 'command' atribute is ... it is very powerfull in important battles - and when you use it in EB in wich you already have 'some' 'balanced' stats in a way that Greek and Italian historians would only be angry .. ,, I mean, you have my point?
Yes, I am not the only one with 'some' education that is somewhat sceptical about some very high stats for some barb units (and will add, yes I agree that no faction is powerfull beyond means).

And who ever 'suggested' NOT to add the same atributes to other factions units (like some that realy had Empires) to other EB team members.. - realy, and I mean realy - has some preferences to 'some' factions
(needless to say that EBs could have implemented Indian faction insead of 'some', and even one from the China or Illyria or Pergam)

Command atribute, if used for Celts - should be used for numerous if not all factions - anyone who was in the army knows that 'moral' in every army draws it's roots from at least one unit no matter who it is..

thank you for your time
be well!

[Geoffrey S]

If I understand correctly, Casse units are weaker than equivalent opposing units (morale difference I presume) and need inspriring champions to be effective. I'm not certain I like your implications of strong bias, Maksimus.