Controlling Outremer...

**Quillan** · 04-24-2007, 21:54

Move your capitol to Marseilles or Genoa. If you don't own them, conquer them and then move your capital there.

I had problems controlling Antioch as Spain with my capitol in Valencia. It wasn't too bad as Venice or as the Byzantines, but I don't want to even think about trying it as the English.

**Shahed** · 04-24-2007, 22:04

Thanks, that's an idea.

Right now it's under control though, occasionally I can get out of the city and whenever I can, I let it rebel. Now it's not so bad and I think I can stay holed up for another 10 turns, maybe 8.

I will move the capitol from LONDON (sob, whine, whinge).... eventually.

**nikolai1962** · 04-25-2007, 07:54

I never exterminate the crusade cities. Just sack. If you want to create a crusader kingdom then grab a castle nearby and you have a base to take it back when it rebels. As england i normally sail home afterwards leaving all the cheap pilgrims to garrison. Feels more historical to me and you get a ton of money from it before it goes.

**Furious Mental** · 04-25-2007, 11:46

Outremer should be able to pay for a fairly large garrison. I just train all my merchants there and rake in the money. Well worth it.

**sapi** · 04-25-2007, 11:52

@Sinan - re: that trick with giving the AI money; have you considered just making the king's purse 10k for every faction except yours, or am I missing something?

**TevashSzat** · 04-25-2007, 13:03

If you do that though, you are gonna need to edit the game files every time you wish to play a different faction in campaigns

**gardibolt** · 04-25-2007, 15:56

If you give the AI that much cash, don't their generals start to get terrible characteristics? Or do those things only apply to the player?

**Empirate** · 04-25-2007, 16:16

Great. His Hatness called a crusade to Mongol-owned Antioch. My Hungarians had been sitting idle for much of the game so far, as I wanted to take it slow and let the AI do some developping first. Now I thought "this is an opportunity to see how tough those Mongols really are". Of course, they were tough, but I was tougher... although I was aided by a Sicilian crusader army in the decisive battle. It was awesome: My full stack plus a Sicilian full stack against two Mongol full stacks - it was slaughter beyond belief (largest unit size setting!).
Anyway, I took Antioch with my King, who had been the leader of my crusade army (wanted to RP it historically there). He had had like six chivalry, so I had no prob controlling the city with his army still around 700 strong. Well, until the next turn, that is. A puny level-three assassin toasted my King, and Antioch went into unrest immediately!
I have managed to hold onto it, but only barely. Unrest is a constant problem, I was lucky I can hold races in Antioch (structure was captured from the Mongols). The Mongols have sieged me twice in the meantime, but the second time, I killed/routed a very large army of theirs, plus reinforcements, in a sally - cannon towers did a great job there. Still, there have been tough moments. Twice I had to withdraw sallying forces into the city, and the Mongols brought a few troops through the gates. Halberdiers posted immediately behind the gate took care of them, though. I won a resounding victory, and for the six turns since then the Mongols have left me alone. I have brought the Pope to declare another crusade - to Jerusalem this time, which is also Mongol - and one full stack of eager Hungarian crusaders is already close to Antioch.
Lessons learned: Bring more than one stack in the first place. Play the Hungarians or some other faction close to the holy lands. Bring a few spies and assassins to take care of enemy agents. Bring a few cardinals to quickly convert the populace. And take at least one more settlement close by - gives you so much more leeway!