M2:TW A Total Failure

[Quickening]

Yeah the bugs are terrible but the game they infest is brilliant. Ive had fun with it since day one and will continue to.
And it is definately not the end of the Total War series. Not by a long shot.

Watch Highlander: The Source if you truly want to see the death of a great series

[Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)]

I’ve been a fan of Creative Assembly since my first encounter with Shogun: Total War. That fantastically innovative game brought real-world units and tactics in a real-time strategy setting, complete with a deep and interesting turn-based grand strategy mode. Shogun was quickly followed by Medieval: Total War, and recently a new engine in Rome: Total War, which has thusly spawned one of the more recognizable and popular franchises in PC gaming.

Rome: Total War was not without its errors but due to the engine and improvements, we forgave much. Considering that Medieval improved significantly on Shogun in several areas, it was then not without cause that expectations for Medieval 2 were raised considerably. Yet, while Creative Assembly has addressed some issues, others continue to plague them. Worse, these problems have existed throughout the series and considering this is the fourth game in the franchise and the second with this engine, patience has worn thin to say the least.

[danfda]

Wow. If you hate it so much, then go away. Seriously. I think I've about had it with people whining about how bad the game is. You knew it would ship with bugs, as all new games do and CA has shown no reason to make you believe otherwise. So get over it. CA is working dilligently to fix the bugs, I have no doubt about that. Its fun as it stands now and can only get better when the patches and the incredible mods are released.

So why won't some of us just stop whining? Please. My brain aches from reading this exact same thread over and over again. 'Course, why I read them when I know what is coming is beyond me.

Though it is still better than the .com forums...

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Good lord, your grammar and sentence structure are improving faster than I can refresh this page!!!

or is that your cut & paste getting a workout!!!

[Quickening]

A link to Medieval 2s' wikipedia page would have sufficed instead of copying and pasting the whole thing.
Anyway this is first and foremost a game. Anyone with even the most basic understanding of medieval Europe (like me) can point out a million things that are inaccurate. But if I want a game for die hard accuracy I'll play Europa Universalis and even that has to compromise somewhere.
This is a game not a historical simulation as has been said and when it is fixed up it will be a truly great game. Best strategy game easily in my book.

[Durallan]

hmm Topic Title : Designed to make people get angry and flame me, wheeeeee

Okay well yes, well thanks for your opinion, I'll cya later

[Quickening]

hmm Topic Title : Designed to make people get angry and flame me, wheeeeee

It would have been wittier if the title had been "Medieval 2: Total Failure". But alas, we can't all be born comic genuises

[Didz]

WoW! I thought I was bad.....but what is the point of starting a post 'Medieval II is a game in a historical setting, not a historical simulation.' and then writing an essay highlighting all the historical inaccuracies.

All other things considered the TW series are still a uniquely enjoyable way of playing something close to a proper wargame on a PC. Most other PC games in this genre are either modelled on the old hexgrid boardgame concept or are little more than real-time shoot-em ups in period costume.

The games work which is better than some I have purchased such as the infamous 1813 game which just crashed repeatedly, and Lords of the Realm which was screwed up by the designers fetish for real time campaign movement.

I do think its time for TW to move on from its obsession with sword and armour and to start exploring other historical periods. But like I said earlier the one thing guarantee'd to see me walk away with my wallet unopen is the introduction of wizards and dragons. Thats would be a big mistake as the fantasy market is already over populated with games and TW should stick to its niche.

Its actually quite amusing to be talking about MTW2 being a total failure when in fact I'm only on this forum replying to this post because my 15 year old son has nicked my copy of the game and taken it home with him having been playing non-stop all weekend. This is a boy whose normal gaming interest is focussed on Unreal Tournament, World of Warcraft, Planetside and Warcraft 3 and up until last Friday used to comment that 'Dad's playing that lame game again.' everytime he saw me on MTW2.

Now I've had to order myself another copy, so TW must be doing something right.

[Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)]

They ran outta new ideas.If you like to play over and over the same game with change graphics than it's fine,but i want something new,exciting not the same thing with horses and men just chopping heads and arms and shouting for help and killing each other.

[Matty]

Wow. If you hate it so much, then go away. Seriously. I think I've about had it with people whining about how bad the game is. You knew it would ship with bugs, as all new games do and CA has shown no reason to make you believe otherwise. So get over it. CA is working dilligently to fix the bugs, I have no doubt about that. Its fun as it stands now and can only get better when the patches and the incredible mods are released.

So why won't some of us just stop whining? Please. My brain aches from reading this exact same thread over and over again. 'Course, why I read them when I know what is coming is beyond me.

Though it is still better than the .com forums...

What he said. Please stop with this ceaseless and utterly pointless inanity.

[Darkgreen]

I’ve played the whole series and I’ve just started to play MTW2 the past couple weeks. Even though mistakes were made and the game is bug heavy at the moment I don’t think these things are nearly as unforgivable as some people make this out to be and I don’t think this is the end of the series. If the next title in the TW series has these or similar problems then that I think would be unforgivable.
I think the series is at an important crossroads. The game developers can either learn from their mistakes and the series will continue to flourish or they can continue to make mistakes and people will get fed up and not buy their product.
What I like to do when a new game (especially those in a series) comes out is not buy it right away. I wait a couple weeks or a month or two and I visit forums like this to see what game features and what problems the new game includes. Demos are great too. If there are too many things that I don’t like and if it is a series game that doesn’t rectify it’s past mistakes, then I don’t buy it.

[Gaius Terentius Varro]

I’ve been a fan of Creative Assembly since my first encounter with Shogun: Total War. That fantastically innovative game brought real-world units and tactics in a real-time strategy setting, complete with a deep and interesting turn-based grand strategy mode. Shogun was quickly followed by Medieval: Total War, and recently a new engine in Rome: Total War, which has thusly spawned one of the more recognizable and popular franchises in PC gaming.

Rome: Total War was not without its errors but due to the engine and improvements, we forgave much. Considering that Medieval improved significantly on Shogun in several areas, it was then not without cause that expectations for Medieval 2 were raised considerably. Yet, while Creative Assembly has addressed some issues, others continue to plague them. Worse, these problems have existed throughout the series and considering this is the fourth game in the franchise and the second with this engine, patience has worn thin to say the least.

If you gonna quote someone then use a link to give credit to author

http://www.firingsquad.com/games/med...al_war_review/

if you're stealing text expect to be caught

[][GERUDO][Mojoman]

i agreee on the fact that kingdoms is going to be the total suck. it looks exactly the same as MTW2, and if u look at the screenies of the english campaign map, ull see an english army with all the units cards - which are exactly the same units as the MTW2 english armies :( u mighta thought there could be some originality, like normans, some huscarls remnants...but no. Billmen, English knights. Same old....looking at the screenies, there are alot more of these recurring units...in BI, every single unit was changed, even the roman ones.

why the hell didnt CA make VI2TW??? that would have TOTALLY FRICKIN PWNED! GAH!

[edyzmedieval]

Please keep your personal frustration behind the monitor, and not in a public place.

Thank you for your understanding. We appreciate less useless posting.

[TB666]

, and if u look at the screenies of the english campaign map, ull see an english army with all the units cards - which are exactly the same units as the MTW2 english armies :( u mighta thought there could be some originality, like normans, some huscarls remnants...but no. Billmen, English knights. Same old....looking at the screenies, there are alot more of these recurring units...in BI, every single unit was changed, even the roman ones.

To be fair, you can't compare Kingdoms to BI.
BI was set during a different era then RTW was hence new looking units.
Kingdoms will be set during the same period as M2TW was however they are more focused campaigns covering more specific events then the grand campaign.
For example, the english campaign, it is set during the same period so of course the english faction will have the same units they had in the grand campaign.
It's the new factions that will get the new troops.

[Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)]

i agreee on the fact that kingdoms is going to be the total suck. it looks exactly the same as MTW2, and if u look at the screenies of the english campaign map, ull see an english army with all the units cards - which are exactly the same units as the MTW2 english armies :( u mighta thought there could be some originality, like normans, some huscarls remnants...but no. Billmen, English knights. Same old....looking at the screenies, there are alot more of these recurring units...in BI, every single unit was changed, even the roman ones.

why the hell didnt CA make VI2TW??? that would have TOTALLY FRICKIN PWNED! GAH!

They should find new ideas for the game maybe space battles, maybe monsters or just something because this idea of knights in shiny armor, princesses,kings is really really old.

[Quickening]

They should find new ideas for the game maybe space battles, maybe monsters or just something because this idea of knights in shiny armor, princesses,kings is really really old.

I wouldn't be against a move to fantasy provided it wasn't the usual Orcs and Elves cliched rubbish. It isn't that hard to create an original fantasy world. I don't know if anyone here every heard of the Seven Kingdoms series, but they were great games and a good example of what I mean.
Lets face it, it would be awesome to see gigantic beasts in battle and flying ones casting a shadow over regiments of men etc.

But to be honest, I don't mind where they take the series. Provided the games are solid and strategic of course.

[edyzmedieval]

They should find new ideas for the game maybe space battles, maybe monsters or just something because this idea of knights in shiny armor, princesses,kings is really really old.

Then go play "5 more minutes!!!Almost at level 60!!" and leave M2TW.

[TinCow]

A moderator has already given this thread a yellow card. The flames and personal attacks have continued and relatively little of worth has been posted.