Misellenes

[Xehh II]

How does the Makedon Faction Leader get Misellenes(hates hellenic people)?
Isn't Makedon Hellenic? Does that mean he hates himself?

[LordCurlyton]

From what I gather by reading all the various info you can find in-game, Makedonians were NOT Greeks, but a very Hellenized group of people just to the north (which is geographically correct). They also had strong ties to the Thraikian tribes and other tribes (I would presume the various Getic and Illyrian tribes are also in there to a lesser extent) and could probably best be though of as Greco-Thraikian rather than "true" Hellenes, ie pure Greeks. Thus he can technically have the trait, which just means he hates Greeks, who in their turn probably look down at these "upstart" Makedones who "stole" their ideas and such.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

We aren't trying to make controversial statements here with that. That mak trait is just indicative of a distrust of other "soft" Hellenes. He believes Macedonians (greek or not) are superior to (other) greeks. We obviously don't mean he hates himself. It's just the different side of the Philhellene trait.

[keravnos]

Yep, quite true. We Epirotes and them Makedonians bore the burden of defending the borders from Illyrians/Paeonians/Thracians, paying a very heavy price for it, and the southrons didn't even believe we were Greek. (Who do you think stood watch while the southrons had their golden age and then fought each other-There is a reason why only Persians and Gauls broke through and reached down south)

(To the delight of our neighbours throughout the millenia who have gone on to claim our name and identity for themselves)

I guess such a trait could very well exist in the sense " You arrogant... (insert favorite swearword, probably one to do with female genitalia). Here we are defending you from outside enemies, we fought our common foe to Indus and back, and you deny us our very own ethnicity? Well (insert ugliest form of "copulate") you right back. From now on, we hate your (another favorite swearword, this one with unspeakable implications on one's mother) guts!"

Still happens you know, but in footy terms. Athenians get some ugly treatment in Thessalonike, like their car's license plates spray painted red or black, or even pink, having a pitta with just tomatoes and a straw in them, rather than meat, (a "south" greek idiom that), etc.

[Watchman]

So basically the southern Greeks regarded their northern cousins as a bunch of savages barely fluent in "proper" Greek, and said rustic cousins returned the sentiment by regarding their more urbane southern kin as decadent wimps - standard neighbourly/brotherly love, in other words.

Bet you it took a long time before the different Latin tribes stopped looking down on their noses at each other and began to regard themselves as collectively "Roman" as opposed to something else, too.

[meliritos]

Everyone should watch out when one does a mod because what one uses in game may be misinterpeted from someone who isnt Greek and doesnt know the facts of Greek history. Your remark there about "miselenes" indeed could cause confusion to everyone but Greeks.You could have a trait that says for example thet "he doesnt believe in the need of unity among Greek people". That would be more accurate.