Your position then is: any people engaged in imperialist expansion is unenlightened? Is that right?Originally Posted by Me
Your position then is: any people engaged in imperialist expansion is unenlightened? Is that right?Originally Posted by Me
Last edited by Pindar; 04-23-2007 at 18:15.
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Redleg, I did not claim using military force always means imperialism. And I did claim the US has been being imperialist, and probably is right now (also by different means besides the military).
Pindar, forgive me for shoving aside your question. The whole point (at least I hope it got through) of the thread was that to criticize America as an imperialist nation, as an aggressive nation, or an aggressive people. There are differences here and there, but ah -- how should I explain this -- ....I look at it "holistically" if that's the proper word. (I don't mean to go into too many details, for saving time.)
We can see this by the way the nation has behaved politically / militarily / etc. And besides that: I've visited this lovely country and what I saw most was people who were always angry, aggressive, arrogant, impulsive, greedy, and hostile. I look at American (foreign) policy and I see the same principle.
Sure there are nice American people -- for example here on the Org -- but it will take a hell of a convincer to convince me and to prove to me that in general the American nation is not aggressive, not hostile, and so on, both within (-- the society --) AND without (-- foreign politics). Basically, I think America has a bad civilization, and you can fill in the reasons -- the details -- yourself.
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Either that answer or:
"......" *quickly walks away with head down*
That's only two examples![]()
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So, you are basically wanting to say you are anti-american?Originally Posted by Bijo
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Would anything be wrong with that?Originally Posted by Pindar
Not at all. It just qualifies your opinions as something other than objective.Originally Posted by Stig
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The answer to your question should be rather obvious. If it is not, then the cognitive dissonance will make any attempt to "enlighten"...pointless.Originally Posted by Stig
In such cases, it is usually best to simply smileand direct the afflicted to the appropriate sandbox.
"We are lovers of beauty without extravagance and of learning without loss of vigor." -Thucydides
"The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." -Thucydides
Originally Posted by Bijo
Not sure if pointing out perceived flaws in a relationship (tab A) makes one anti-the flawed object (slot B).Originally Posted by Pindar
Mind you if the wife ever asks 'Do these jeans make me look fat' then ones response may will lead to one finding out the hard way that people tend to link tab A to slot B automatically.![]()
My comment was directed at gathering a better answer then this. Explain why you believe that the United States is engaged in Imperialism. What methods are being used by the Government of the United States to engage in Imperialistic policies? In your explanation how do you explain the huge trade imbalance that the United States is engaged in with China? In other words a simple belief that the United States is engaged in Imperialism does not equate to proving the premise.Originally Posted by Bijo
Again what foundation in fact is such an accusation based upon? There are many different explanations for the different foreign policies of the United States? For instance are you attempting to classify Bosnia, Kosovo, and Somilia into aggressive foreign policy actions of an Imperialist nation.Pindar, forgive me for shoving aside your question. The whole point (at least I hope it got through) of the thread was that to criticize America as an imperialist nation, as an aggressive nation, or an aggressive people. There are differences here and there, but ah -- how should I explain this -- ....I look at it "holistically" if that's the proper word. (I don't mean to go into too many details, for saving time.)
All depends on what part of the nation you have visited and when. Sterotypes are the basic downfall of your arguement.We can see this by the way the nation has behaved politically / militarily / etc. And besides that: I've visited this lovely country and what I saw most was people who were always angry, aggressive, arrogant, impulsive, greedy, and hostile. I look at American (foreign) policy and I see the same principle.
Pinder-san has summed up your position in my opinion. Your going to have to explain your postion a whole lot better or I will just have to assume that your basing a lot of your opinion on sterotypes. And sterotypes are always a bad thing to base one's opinion on.Sure there are nice American people -- for example here on the Org -- but it will take a hell of a convincer to convince me and to prove to me that in general the American nation is not aggressive, not hostile, and so on, both within (-- the society --) AND without (-- foreign politics). Basically, I think America has a bad civilization, and you can fill in the reasons -- the details -- yourself.
_________________________
By all means, no offence meant to anybody American in here
_________________________
"Sir, hello. Eh, I jst need to know where and--"
"I ain't no ******* guide, ya bastard!"
Either that answer or:
"......" *quickly walks away with head down*
That's only two examples![]()
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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