Canadian Journalist Attacked by Muslims

[Tribesman]

I personally don't recall a million other examples where a journalist is attacked for any reason.

Maybe when you are older or have read a bit more you will .

Anyhow bloody amatuers , a cricket bat FFS .
what you do when a reporter keeps upsetting you and won't be intimidated by threats is simply to blow their brains out while they are stuck in traffic and make a getaway on bike .
Hey they could make a film about that , burning the house down is another good one , kidnap the kids , bomb their car , arrest them on trumped up charges , these muppets in this attack are just so gentlemanly with their cricket bat

[Banquo's Ghost]

Hey they could make a film about that , burning the house down is another good one , kidnap the kids , bomb their car , arrest them on trumped up charges , these muppets in this attack are just so gentlemanly with their cricket bat

Hey, after the World Cup debacle, I'm amazed any Pakistani would dare be seen with a cricket bat.

[Don Corleone]

Is Tribesman referencing the Veronica Guerrin incident talking about blowing somebody's brains out when stopped at a traffic light, then riding off on a motor bike?

[Tribesman]

Hey, after the World Cup debacle, I'm amazed any Pakistani would dare be seen with a cricket bat.

Naughty Banquo

Is Tribesman referencing the Veronica Guerrin incident talking about blowing somebody's brains out when stopped at a traffic light, then riding off on a motor bike?

Damn , there goes my idea for a film , someone beat me to it .

[Blodrast]

(somewhat directed as a reply to BG, Meneldil): Eh, yes, of course you may end up in trouble if you criticize Hinduism in India, or Islam in Saudi Arabia, but you're comparing apples and oranges. I would not be in the least surprised if said journalist had gotten in trouble in Pakistan (as he himself pointed out), but, last time I checked, Canada was not a hardcore fundamentalist Muslim country.

And there's no need to be condescending, Tribesy.

While of course we all agree journalists have been aggressed by any possible groups, since the beginnings of journalism, that doesn't mean there aren't differences in the number of aggressions, in trends, in causes and implications - the cases are not all the same.
One of the reasons this is more troubling than your "average" journalist-got-beaten-by-some-crazies is that, traditionally, in Canada, journalists weren't attacked for criticizing Muslim figures.

[Vuk]

Exactly, wackos under all banners do bad things, but violence is a characteristic of islam.
Well, I have to go now. I will be back Monday.

Vuk

[Suraknar]

The fact that the Journalist is of Pakistani Origin plays a factor here too.

Because if he was in Pakistan he would probably not be publishing his critisism, and from the point of view of his assaillants.

Now, that in no way means that one should condone the actions but the finger should not be pointed directly towards the majority of muslims either.

And yes there have been many instances where journalists, book writters, etc have been attacked because of their opinions, and by all kinds of different religeous convictions.

Fanatisism is not only a muslim plague.

[Geoffrey S]

Might be worth pointing out that pinning this a double standard, at least. The attacked journalist is also of Islamic origins.

[Tribesman]

Yet the Rabbit has a point.

Yep , without a doubt .
However when you get stuff like.........

I personally don't recall a million other examples where a journalist is attacked for any reason. I recall one radio guy getting shot after criticizing the mob. And all those journalists getting kidnapped and/or beheaded by other Muslims. But I don't remember any examples of Christians or Hindus or Buddhists physically beating up and assaulting a journalist for criticizing a religious organization.
....you have to wonder both what is the point he thinks he has is and how he reached it .

[AntiochusIII]

I seem to recall some people distinctly proclaim, with much zeal by the way, that all the racism is the same, all the hate crimes are the same, and one shouldn't highlight a specific crime as somehow discriminatingly more important than others.

...may be I just have a faulty memory?

Of course I agree that the Muslim community is in conflict with itself -- who doesn't? -- and the free society ought to do as much as possible to protect, aid, and encourage those who dare challenge the traditional community leaders' influence, such as this unfortunate journalist. It is in everyone's best interest after all to prevent the segregation of cultures from becoming (or remaining) institutionalized in some form.

But the way this news is portrayed here is really just another attack on Teh Muslims.

[JimBob]

Lets take a moment and believe some people that Islam is naturally evil. What do you propose to do about it? Nuke the Middle East. Outlaw the religion. Or just pass some laws that ban those Islams from doing things that good civilized Christian Westerners do.

[Adrian II]

...you have to wonder both what is the point he thinks he has is and how he reached it.

He must have partaken of the same strong Dutch hashish that poor Vuk is on. Teh rapes! Teh genocides!

Seriously, Vuk - I managed to dig out a point in what Crazed Rabbit said, now don't spoil the effect by getting the thread locked.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Adrian, I thought Dutch Hash was supposed to be the high quality not-psyochosis stuff. Ah well.

Anyway, Islam is not alone in being hardline and intollerant of other viewpoints. If anything Christianity is the exception here. Did anyone else here about Richard Gere's recent death threats?

[Louis VI the Fat]

What's up with all that talk about Crazed Rabbit's 'hidden agenda' ?

As far as I know, he's been quite open and consistent in his posts and agenda: if only all Muslims were equipped with cricket bats none of this would've happened. But no, those liberal Canucks needed 'restrictions'.


But seriously: yes, Banquo's Ghost is right that reporting can be a dangerous job within any culture.

Yet, to make this a totally redundant near word-by-word repeat of Adrian's post, the Rabbit has a point. Apostasy is dangerous for a Muslim, much more so than for other religions (that I know of and have a relatively large amount of followers in the West). Ask Hirsi Aly. As to critising Islam...I would suggest you ask Van Gogh about it, but you couldn't.

This is understood so well and to such an extent that now self-censorship has become a problem. Under Muslim intimidation - real or imagined - movies and plays are not shown and books and articles remain unpublished.

[Yun Dog]

Hey, after the World Cup debacle, I'm amazed any Pakistani would dare be seen with a cricket bat.

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Oh another the Mulism are all violent fanatics thread based on a coupla drunks fighting over an ice cube at the north pole

yeh I agree

savages every last one of em... even the ones that live just like you and me.. oh does that mean we're savages




so based on the Virginia Tech and Kansas City - what does that tell us about Americans then

[Vladimir]

so based on the Virginia Tech and Kansas City - what does that tell us about Americans then

That we're all a bunch of violent, gun crazed colonials. *raises hand* Guilty.

[Yun Dog]

That we're all a bunch of violent, gun crazed colonials. *raises hand* Guilty.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Maybe when you are older or have read a bit more you will .

You can recall a million separate incidents of journalists being beat up? Truly, you have an inconceivably gifted memory.

I do recall one house bombing in Spain.

However, what I also deplore is the apparent attempt to indicate that this behaviour is somehow characteristic only of Muslims.

No need to deplore that which isn't there.

Some others have picked out important points: this is rather new incident in Canada. Canada, I'm sure you know, is not a country with a high percentage of Muslims, but fundamentalism is spreading from traditional countries (S.Arabia) to the west.

Should we ignore the struggle between moderate and fundamentalist in the Muslim community? We all want the moderates to prevail, right? This spreading of fundamentalism threatens free speech and other freedoms.

As far as I can see, many groups use violence to intimidate journalists and silence criticism. Neo-nazis through to animal rights activists. Occasionally policemen and government agents. And in traditionally free and open countries.

And these people and their methods are criticized, heavily. But will we see a denunciation of these tactics used by Muslims to suppress those they disagree with, or will people play this facet of conflict between fundamentalist suppressing moderate as nothing important?

Crazed Rabbit