Canadian Journalist Attacked by Muslims

[Louis VI the Fat]

How many journalists were attacked at the opposition rally in Russia this weekend ?

Quite a few! And this has happened before in Russia too! Intimidation, murder, censorship!

All of which leads me to believe that the freedom of the press is under duress in modern Russian culture.


Edit to add: So why should we shy away from a conclusion like that when it involves Islam?

[Tribesman]

So why should we shy away from a conclusion like that when it involves Islam?

A simple question for you Louis , would anyone dream of attributing blame on all Russians for the attacks , or claim that attacking journalists was just a russian thing ?
Surely it would have to be the case wouldn't it .
It was Russians that did it so it must be the Russians that are to blame , because ...well because thats what Russians are like .

So when you shied away from a conclusion , did you reach a conclusion as outlined above , or are you mixing conclusions?

[Louis VI the Fat]

A simple question for you Louis , would anyone dream of attributing blame on all Russians for the attacks , or claim that attacking journalists was just a russian thing ?
Surely it would have to be the case wouldn't it .
It was Russians that did it so it must be the Russians that are to blame , because ...well because thats what Russians are like .

So when you shied away from a conclusion , did you reach a conclusion as outlined above , or are you mixing conclusions?

Who's blaming all Russians or all Muslims attack journalists, or claiming that attacking journalist is unique to either?

My conclusion is really simple: journalists, artists, authors get attacked, intimidated and murdered quite a bit in a lot of places. But more so in some places and in some cultures. Hence these cultures have more of a problem with freedom of speech than others.

I'm sure I could dig up some link about some Norwegian being beat up for saying something or another. Yet nobody will claim that Norway has as much of a problem as Russia in this respect.

And Islamic culture is very much on one end of the scale. And yes, Islam is not a monolith, but no, I'm not going to break down Islamic culture into different times, places, subdivisions and what not. I'm not going to do the same for Russia either - even though we can't speak of 'Russia' as a monolithic unchangeable culture either.
I would, as soon as somebody explains to me why this nuance is implicitly understood when, say, the Guardian writes 'Freedom of press at peril in Russia' but not when somebody writes '...at peril by Islamicism'.

If freedom of speech is under duress from either the government, religious institutions or ordinary citizens, then it is. Simple as that. I'm not going to be a fool about it, or be silent about it out of sensitivity.

[Ser Clegane]

Who's blaming all Russians or all Muslims attack journalists

Here is an example

I fully agree with you though, that the reasoning behind any act of such deserves to be mentioned

[Randarkmaan]

Allow me to explain further. I am not saying that the people who follow islam are at fault, but quite the opposite! I am saying that islam is at fault. All QUOTE]lmao, I think BG just doesn't want a "touchy" thread, because then he'd have to do his job! lol
Say what you like BG, but there IS a pattern. The islamic religion teaches hate and intolerance. They do not allow anyone to say anything that they disagree with (sound familiar BG?). If you think that I am just bashing a religion, and not telling the absolute truth, I could come up with 70 million news articles and quotes from the koran that prove what I am saying.religions have had wackos that do mental things in the name of their religion, so you cannot judge a religion by the attrocities comitted by the wackos of an era. What you CAN judge a religion by (and yes, I think that judging is important here) is the "holy" books on which it is based (after all, this IS the religion. Religions regulate a way of life and inspire a set of beliefs. These ways of life and beliefs are taken directly from the "holy" books), and by a predominant, continuing trend throughout centuries. Judging islam by those criteria yields the conclusion that islam is a religion of hate, of war, of intolerance, and of violence. (We will leave morality out of this discussion :P)

The religion of islam started out as...AN ARMY!! It was formed, and the koran was based on the writings of one of the most violent, perverse men in history! It is the most intolerant religion in the world!! It condemns ALL other religions (except, it is funny, that it had EXTREMELY good relations with jews when first invented. Kind of ironic...), all other races except, arabic, turk, and indian (yes, again, rather ironically, it condemns blacks as well), it condemns WOMEN!!!

The "islamic nation" has committed more, and larger, more filthy genocides than anyone else in the world!!! Even more than Stalin!!! (who WAY out-did Hitler!)

Muslims in todays society are calling for an over-throw from within of Western nations! The have raped, killed, enslaved, and persecuted all they have conquered! (which includes much of Europe, till the West declared the Crusades in responce and finally weakened them enough to blunt the offensive...Yes, that is right, the Crusades were in responce to centuries of muslim conquest.)

I'll be back online Monday and will be perfectly willing to prove ANYTHING I said that you may think untrue, unreasonable, unfounded, or slanderous. One request? Think before you post and do not flood me with responces to answer. ;)
Hope that will give you something to think of,

Vuk... you're out of your little mind, my friend.

Muslims in todays society are calling for an over-throw from within of Western nations! The have raped, killed, enslaved, and persecuted all they have conquered! (which includes much of Europe, till the West declared the Crusades in responce and finally weakened them enough to blunt the offensive...Yes, that is right, the Crusades were in responce to centuries of muslim conquest.)

Yay! The Crusades blunted the offensive! Although they didn't really achieve anything else than a latin country that existed in the middle east for a while, primarily because it took time for the Muslims to find a reason to remove them. Three centuries later and south eastern Europe was ruled by Muslims.

The "islamic nation" has committed more, and larger, more filthy genocides than anyone else in the world!!! Even more than Stalin!!! (who WAY out-did Hitler!)

How do you know this? I haven't really heard about any genocides, atleast not real ones, massacres of course, but those happen everywhere. And I think they would have to really well to outdo Stalin, in numbers, and Hitler in, cruelty and efficiency.

The religion of islam started out as...AN ARMY!! It was formed, and the koran was based on the writings of one of the most violent, perverse men in history! It is the most intolerant religion in the world!! It condemns ALL other religions (except, it is funny, that it had EXTREMELY good relations with jews when first invented. Kind of ironic...), all other races except, arabic, turk, and indian (yes, again, rather ironically, it condemns blacks as well), it condemns WOMEN!!!

It does not condemn all other religions, it "accepts" christianity and Judaism as flawed but valid religions, though pagans are to be considered idolators and unbelievers. But Monotheistic religions tend to have it built into them the belief that they are the only true religion and that they reject all others, they may allow others to keep their faith, but they will tell you that you will burn in hell if you do. Actually in Islam everyone who is a muslim is supposed to be equal, though they haven't really followed that (who has anyway?) and there may be some things in it, such as the status of women, that contradicts the "all are equal" thing. It does not condemn blacks, but people tend to be racists. Like you perhaps? You claim muslims are intolerant, but what are you then? I don't think Muslims would fare well in a society run by you... maybe sent of to some nice vacation camps? Alot of this is reminiscent of what people said of Jews in the middle ages, they thought they kidnapped and sacrificed children.

[Tribesman]

I would, as soon as somebody explains to me why this nuance is implicitly understood when, say, the Guardian writes 'Freedom of press at peril in Russia' but not when somebody writes '...at peril by Islamicism'.

There is nothing wrong when someone writes that , but too often it is written as Islam not islamicism .
Take the title of this topicCanadian Journalist Attacked by Muslims Canadian journalist attacked by fundamentalist Islamic fruitcakes reads very differently , offensive maybe but specificly offensive .
And it fits better with Ser Clegs line.......

the reasoning behind any act of such deserves to be mentioned

[Fragony]

You claim muslims are intolerant, but what are you then? I don't think Muslims would fare well in a society run by you... maybe sent of to some nice vacation camps? Alot of this is reminiscent of what people said of Jews in the middle ages, they thought they kidnapped and sacrificed children.

Muslims don't fare well anywhere, say what you want but they have a hard time accepting non-islamic vallues. I don't blame them with all these multiculturalists giving them the feeling that they are special, giving them what they want even before they know they realise that they demand it, idiots. Also in Norway, you guys must be doing something very very wrong there, just like they are doing something very very wrong in Sweden, Belgium, France, England, and my very own Dutchiestan, or everywhere, and now guess what Canada! Blame Canada! How could you fail them like that. Maybe there is, well, something wrong with Islam or at least with it's followers? Now I am consistantly growing milder, or at least trying really hard, but out of all major religions which one would you personally consider the most violent?

ps, godwin award is yours.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I think the difference with Islam is that it's very explicit. A lot of what can be inferred from the Bible/Torah is spelled out in the Koran.

So if you want to find a verse telling you to smite the infidel you can. Having said that there's plenty of justification for smiting in the Old Testemant, and some places of the new. Jesus did apparently blast a fig tree just for not being in season.

Having said that, Islam has become the way it is partly because it has been seperated off and appeased, though the Sikhs did take one or two liberties over here. Most notably an open air cremation.

The other problem is that the centre of Islam, in the Middle East, has become for hard line over the last hundred years as the other major religions have mellowed.