Canadian Journalist Attacked by Muslims

[Xiahou]

Thanks Louis .Simple question , why were the kids not simply removed from the class ?

Maybe you should ask the school in question that.
Why was their response, instead, to stop teaching the subject?

[Fragony]

You don't have to .......
Various pupils began to demolish the classroom ....you prosecute the little buggers and throw them out of the school .

Now that would make sense now wouldn't it, but, they don't. Agree with ya, prosecute the little buggers, but, they don't (and can't, too young). And then people wonder why these little rascals have the feeling they can get away with everything, it's very simple, they simply can. All hail the cult.


Asscher is also shocked by the powerlessness of welfare bodies who try to talk criminal youngsters back onto the right track. In Slotervaart district, a mother of 10 children, of whom half have a criminal record, is guided by 35 different social workers

heh, the multivultures

[Yun Dog]

Hey, after the World Cup debacle, I'm amazed any Pakistani would dare be seen with a cricket bat.

word


Oh another the Mulism are all violent fanatics thread based on a coupla drunks fighting over an ice cube at the north pole

yeh I agree

savages every last one of em... even the ones that live just like you and me.. oh does that mean we're savages




so based on the Virginia Tech and Kansas City - what does that tell us about Americans then

[Vladimir]

so based on the Virginia Tech and Kansas City - what does that tell us about Americans then

That we're all a bunch of violent, gun crazed colonials. *raises hand* Guilty.

[Yun Dog]

That we're all a bunch of violent, gun crazed colonials. *raises hand* Guilty.

[Adrian II]

Various pupils began to demolish the classroom ....you prosecute the little buggers and throw them out of the school .

Schools in The Netherlands do not prosecute little buggers, it is not their core business. We try to solve problems. In this case the professional problem-solvers have made complete fools of themselves as the alderman has rightly concluded. Budgets will have to be cut, kids reallocated, parents' attitudes addressed until the little buggers have visited farms and learned all about pigs.

Oink.

[Vladimir]

Interesting. It's a little like watching someone fall off a bridge and drown then going to the city council to get them to install a hand rail. You’re not supposed to do anything at the moment but you feel good about yourself later.

[Blodrast]

Schools in The Netherlands do not prosecute little buggers, it is not their core business. We try to solve problems. In this case the professional problem-solvers have made complete fools of themselves as the alderman has rightly concluded. Budgets will have to be cut, kids reallocated, parents' attitudes addressed until the little buggers have visited farms and learned all about pigs.

Oink.

Serious question: do you think that is going to happen ?
To me it seems the schools have already chosen a path, and it's not exactly what you're suggesting...

[Adrian II]

Serious question: do you think that is going to happen ?
To me it seems the schools have already chosen a path, and it's not exactly what you're suggesting...

From what I hear (and it is my town) that is what is happening. However, the kids are not being gathered at gunpoint and force-marched to Dutch farms for re-education, if that is what you mean.

[Fragony]

Serious question: do you think that is going to happen ?

Probably with the most utmost cultural understanding so that it doesn't upset them too much.

duck, and coveeeeeeeer

[Adrian II]

Probably with the most utmost cultural understanding so that it doesn't upset them too much.

duck, and coveeeeeeeer

Dutch schools should be (and usually are) primarily concerned with the welfare of their pupils, not with Fragony's scandal-driven little agenda.

There are enough forces aligned against these children and their future already. Forces that often, alas, include their own parents, their neighbourhoods, their peer clans, youth culture. A delicate balancing act often makes the difference between totally alienating them from Dutch society or integrating them sufficiently so they can make something of themselves.

That's how we have managed to keep Dutch society together in the past one hundred years, to the point where foreign investors prefer The Netherlands on account of its relaxed social climate and cohesion. And that's why we have no race riots, no-go areas, lost generations, teenage suicide epidemics, gun fights in our streets and related crap caused by a loss of social cohesion and solidarity in our society. It is very easy to break that fabric, and very hard to restore it. So I am against breaking it, even if it takes time, money and energy that could be spent elsewhere.

[Fragony]

Dutch schools should be (and usually are) primarily concerned with the welfare of their pupils, not with Fragony's scandal-driven little agenda.

There are enough forces aligned against these children and their future already. Forces that often, alas, include their own parents, their neighbourhoods, their peer clans, youth culture. A delicate balancing act often makes the difference between totally alienating them from Dutch society or integrating them sufficiently so they can make something of themselves.

That's how we have managed to keep Dutch society together in the past one hundred years, to the point where foreign investors prefer The Netherlands on account of its relaxed social climate and cohesion. And that's why we have no race riots, no-go areas, lost generations, teenage suicide epidemics, gun fights in our streets and related crap caused by a loss of social cohesion and solidarity in our society. It is very easy to break that fabric, and very hard to restore it. So I am against breaking it, even if it takes time, money and energy that could be spent elsewhere.

Owwww god, if they don't want to learn about pigs, well the bad grades at the exams are all theirs. If they make a racket, send them out of the class. If that means half the class so bloody what. If they do it again, kick them of school. If that means half the class, so bloody what, should ruffle some feathers with the parents. Muslim parents generally value education of their kids. Make it their problem. Here's the big word, wait for it, EQUAL TREATMENT

[Adrian II]

If they make a racket, send them out of the class. If that means half the class so bloody what. If they do it again, kick them of school.

If we do that, they will be a problem to themselves, to their families and to the rest of society in five years time. In this country kids are hardly ever kicked out of schools. And if they are, another school is obliged to take them. Like I said, we spend a lot of money helping or, if need be, forcing kids to make something of themselves. No child should be left behind indeed, in the end that's in everyone's interest.

[Vladimir]

That's how we have managed to keep Dutch society together in the past one hundred years, to the point where foreign investors prefer The Netherlands on account of its relaxed social climate and cohesion. And that's why we have no race riots, no-go areas, lost generations, teenage suicide epidemics, gun fights in our streets and related crap caused by a loss of social cohesion and solidarity in our society. It is very easy to break that fabric, and very hard to restore it. So I am against breaking it, even if it takes time, money and energy that could be spent elsewhere.

Asscher told newspaper De Volkskrant: "A primary school in Amsterdam-Noord has decided no longer to teach about living on a farm. Various pupils began to demolish the classroom when the pig came up for discussion. Apparently it has gone that far. These children, 9, 10 years old, have not been given even the most elementary rules at home about why they must go to school."

Hello, McFly . Didn't Dutch society already Van Goethe to the dogs, er, pigs?

[Adrian II]

Hello, McFly . Didn't Dutch society already Van Goethe to the dogs, er, pigs?

We threw Van Goethe off a tower in 1482 and McFly is running a profitable insect business in Amsterdam. Anything wrong with that?

[Fragony]

If we do that, they will be a problem to themselves, to their families and to the rest of society in five years time. In this country kids are hardly ever kicked out of schools. And if they are, another school is obliged to take them. Like I said, we spend a lot of money helping or, if need be, forcing kids to make something of themselves. No child should be left behind indeed, in the end that's in everyone's interest.

As if it comes to half the class being kicked of school, make it the parents problem, it is exactly that after all, and wait for the magic to happen. I expect a lot of father to son talk when once they understand it's swim or drown.

[Adrian II]

As if it comes to half the class being kicked of school, make it the parents problem, it is exactly that after all, and wait for the magic to happen. I expect a lot of father to son talk when once they understand it's swim or drown.

Those fathers themselves can't swim. If you had any genuine interest in the matter at all, you would know this is a major part of the problem.

[Fragony]

Those fathers themselves can't swim. If you had any genuine interest in the matter at all, you would know they are a part of the problem, not the solution.

Oh I think you are wrong there, they know they can't swim after all, and they want a better future for their kids. Once they understand that their offspring is depriving itselve of it's future, and that there is nobody to help them for a change, wait for it. Make it in their best interest to do some parenting, why should they make any effort whatsoever the way it is? No short supply of idiots looking for half-baked no tommorow solutions. And really, why should we care, I care about the other half of the class, streets need to be swept just as rockets need engines.

[Adrian II]

Oh I think you are wrong there, they know they can't swim after all, and they want a better future for their kids.

Half of them do not speak the language, the other half are incapacitated due to the hard or hazardous work they did in their prime as migrant workers.

Muslim girls do very well in Dutch schools and later on in society as well. The problem is with the boys. Boys do not adapt as easily as girls (this applies in any culture) and these boys are acutely aware that Dutch society has low expectations of them (or none at all). The only identity they can develop is in opposition to that society. They should be taught that this is unproductive instead of being kicked out and confirmed in their opposition.

[Fragony]

Muslim girls do very well in Dutch schools and later on in society as well. The problem is with the boys. Boys do not adapt as easily as girls (this applies in any culture) and these boys are acutely aware that Dutch society has low expectations of them (or none at all). The only identity they can develop is in opposition to that society. They should be taught that this is unproductive instead of being kicked out and confirmed in their opposition.

AdrianII, these kids in question are 10 years old, let's please treat them like that. Kids will be kids, and give them any room for mischief they will gladly take it. This is not religiously inspired outrage, that's what that idiot that decided to stop teaching about pigs makes of it. The problem is that what is being taught to them is that we are afraid of them, and that they can do as they please. The problem is that we make a problem out of it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Bring back the cane, restore order.

Properly applied and regulated corporal punishment is highly effective and it is one of only two things that works on young children, the other being bribary.

Remember, these children have yet to develope a concience and they never will unless they are made to link bad behavior with bad experiences.

[Adrian II]

AdrianII, these kids in question are 10 years old, let's please treat them like that. Kids will be kids, and give them any room for mischief they will gladly take it. This is not religiously inspired outrage, that's what that idiot that decided to stop teaching about pigs makes of it. The problem is that what is being taught to them is that we are afraid of them, and that they can do as they please. The problem is that we make a problem out of it.

You're talking sense, man. I agree that this is part of the problem, along with parental attitudes, oversized classes, unqualified teachers, etcetera. But my point still stands that kicking kids out of school is no solution to any of these issues.

[Don Corleone]

I gotta go with Adrian on this one, Fragony. I hear what you're saying. But if your point is that they're just parroting intolerant viewpoints they pick up at home, doesn't it make sense to get them out of the home as much as possible? Perhaps expose them to the reality that exists in the world in spite of what they've heard in their cloistered little enclave?

I don't think changing the curriculum to accomodate them is the right answer either, but nobody here is arguing that. The only people that have is the school themselves, and Adrian says they're reversing that policy.