DotA: Death of the Ancients

[TevashSzat]

For those who don't know of dota, it is a whole series of warcraft 3 use map setting maps that have 2 teams of up to 5 hero battle it out along with their creeps as they try to destroy the opposing team's ancient.

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Any members here play dota? For this who have warcraft 3 but don't play it, I strongly suggest you get the latest map 6.43b from here and go play some custom games online.

My favorite hero happens to be Azwraith, Phantom Lancer. I know they nerfed his images down to 15 secs, but he is IMO one of the best if not the best pushers in the game. Azwraith + Manta = Dead Towers

[sapi]

If you want a mmo, go play a real one...

No offense intended, but imo it's one of the worst maps (and definitely one that attracts the worst players) around

[pevergreen]

Bah @ sapi.

DoTA is awsome! Dragon Knight is fun :nod:

For High Damage high regen go Witch Doctor. Base damage is incredible.

[sapi]

Oh, and is there any reason the title is 'death of the ancients'?

They changed the name?

[Meneldil]

Well, I have to agree with sapi here. I played a lot of Aeon kind of map for W3 and W3FT, and DotA is probably the worst one.
Badly designed, poorly balanced, filled with 12 year old idiots. The only interesting feature is crafting items. But then, everyone tries to craft the same overpowered items, so it turns out to be kinda pointless.

Not nearly as much fun as Tides of Blood (another Aeon kind of map) or the good old Europa Universalis and Lord of the Ring maps.

[pevergreen]

Unbalanced...only because everyone plays -em.

[Meneldil]

Or also, unbalanced because the whole game is based upon overpowered skill, items and heroes rather than teamplay and strategy.

Most people try to avoid playing with their allies, as it slow down XP rates. You just wait behind your creeps and cast a spell from times to times, until you have enough money to buy some flawed item. Rinse and repeat until you're powerful enough to one-shot a tower or another hero. End of the game.

[TevashSzat]

Hmm...I seem to have made a mistake in the title, can anyone fix it for me?

As for the map, it is imbalanced in some heroes, but those overpowered ones do get nerfed in newer versions and the map isn't that imbalanced.

If you want to play against half decent people, go play TDA games where you have to prove that you are a respectable player to get in.

[sapi]

If you want to play against half decent people, go play TDA games where you have to prove that you are a respectable player to get in.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be patronising, but how is attempting to join a community that discriminates based on skill for a single map going to get you with half decent people?

If you want to play with nice people, play with your mates...or play another game...

[TevashSzat]

In the dota community, there is a very large problem with people either purposefully ruining the game or more commonly, leavers. Public 5v5 games easily last from 45-90 minutes so lots of people just leave in the middle of the game most of the time ruining the game. If you can play TDA games, that means that you are not a leaver nor purposefully ruin games and that you are at least not completely new to the game.

If you complain that there are too many stupid 10 year olds playing the games, it is the same for almost every online game with starcraft and WoW to name a few.

[LeftEyeNine]

Defense of the Ancients

[x-dANGEr]

You made it sound worse than M2: TW in terms of imbalance!!

Anyway, most of your "complaints" show that you haven't actually played it, or got the hang of it. Because if you did, you'll know it's anything but "You just wait behind your creeps and cast a spell from times to times, until you have enough money to buy some flawed item."

[LeftEyeNine]

Well, DotA is one of the top modifications close to perfection. The author gets a huge feedback and never falls behind in updating the map.

Sweeeeeeet

P.S. x-dANGEr, give me your nick, we may meet on the servers sometime.

[edyzmedieval]

Blargh, I dislike DoTA totally. My friends are obsessed with it.

[LeftEyeNine]

Blargh, I dislike DoTA totally. My friends are obsessed with it.

I know that particularly Romanian and Brazilian gamers are fond of DotA.

[sapi]

I know that particularly Romanian and Brazilian gamers are fond of DotA.

Far too many Australians, too, from what I see

[edyzmedieval]

I know that particularly Romanian and Brazilian gamers are fond of DotA.

Ah yes. So fond that they are able to play DoTA 24/7.

[x-dANGEr]

Actually.. Everyone around the world is too fond of DotA! At least.. That what shows if you participate in the DotA community.

@LeftEyeNine: This will sound silly.. But I don't have Warcraft III TFT to play DotA!! :P I just play it on LAN.. Nothing is better than playing a dude who thinks he's "UBER" and then watching him swear to death after he loses..

[TevashSzat]

The dota community is quite large too with easily around 1000 users browsing the page at any time

[LeftEyeNine]

Far too many Australians, too, from what I see

How 'bout you, sapi? And Xdeathfire ? And others ?

If any of you hang around EuroBattle.net servers, let me know

[TevashSzat]

well my name on Battle net is Xdeathfire and I usually am on Us West since most of my friends play on it

[Meneldil]

You made it sound worse than M2: TW in terms of imbalance!!

Anyway, most of your "complaints" show that you haven't actually played it, or got the hang of it. Because if you did, you'll know it's anything but "You just wait behind your creeps and cast a spell from times to times, until you have enough money to buy some flawed item."

Thing is, I actually played it. Firstly a while ago (what was it ? 3 or 4 years ago at least, when the first versions of the map were released) and quite honestly, I already thought it was quite poor and blank at the time (as in, there was already Aeon maps with cooler design, better balance, more original heroes, etc.), the only thing I actually liked was a character that had spell who were quite powerful but sometimes lead to weird situations (he summoned a random hostile creature rather than the friendly elemental he was supposed to).

Then, a few months ago, a friend of mine who is still stuck at playing on Battlenet (while normal people have moved to WoW) told me "Haven't you heard about DotA ? It's really great" and so on.
So, I reinstalled Warcraft 3 and TFT, downloaded the latest version of the map, and tried the map. I played dozens of games either with my friend and his team or with random people, and never ever did I think "OMG, 'dis is so much fun"*.

Currently, I still wondering why people prefer(ed) this crap over Tides of Blood and the billion of other Aeon that were way better than DotA.

*Oddly, all these game would be rather well described by "casting a spell from times to times until you have enough money to buy/craft some overpowered item"

[pevergreen]

Im a bored Aussies player.

If you are on Bored Aussies, add pevergreen, V1RUS or Ubers to your friends list.

[TevashSzat]

Have a quick question though, I can understand why Australian and New Zealand users go on the U.S. West server, but why do so many from Singapore come when they have an Asia server?

[sapi]

How 'bout you, sapi? And Xdeathfire ? And others ?

If any of you hang around EuroBattle.net servers, let me know

Nope, never really got in to dota (and played on US West when I did)

Have a quick question though, I can understand why Australian and New Zealand users go on the U.S. West server, but why do so many from Singapore come when they have an Asia server?

Probably the viral effect - friends had already gone to US West, so they did etc.

iirc it's like wow and they're all based in the US anyway...

[TevashSzat]

But the thing is that in dota, most hosters only allow people from a certain area to join due to lag issuees. For example, hosters in us will only allow us/canada and people from singapore will take quite a while to find a join they could join that is us.

There are however lots of singapore games which is quite infuriating as I constantly join a game only to realize that it is a singapore one

[sapi]

That really shouldn't be that much of an issue thanks to the time differences...

[Tran]

Nope, that's because 99% of Asian server players are Koreans, speak and play exclusively in Korean language. No wonder the rest of Asia players look for server elsewhere...

[TevashSzat]

Sapi- It is an issue since sometimes over 1/2 of the dota games are hosted by people from singapore and if you take into account australia and new zealond, maybe 2/3 to 3/4 of the dota games on west is not hosted from North America

Also, 800th post

[Tran]

Also, 800th post

Well, congrats!

And since this is the game sub-forum, I wish you will be able to 'defeat' Faust in Arcade! But after that you might expect me to 'replace' your position